Trans Minors Seeking Puberty Blockers, Sex Changes ‘Protected from Parents’ Under New Law

Bottom line.

It's not a political party's call nor business in decideing personal medical decisions.

Especially the side that claims to want less government intrusion.

 

You completely ignored the fact that minors do not possess the ability to consider long term consequences. An adult may convince a minor to have sex and claim they weren't imposing their beliefs, but that adult is still a rapist.

You say "You should leave it to the medical professionals". Are you aware that in spite of record use of psychiatric drugs, depression and anxiety are still increasing? Public health has declined significantly in spite of record profits for big pharma and medical professionals.

Any reasonable person capable of observing results would not make such claims about "medical professionals".

 

What part of
Before signing the measure into law, Inslee called the bill a “more compassionate, developmentally appropriate and reasoned approach to support these youth as they access gender-affirming treatment
Did you not understand?

 

Um you overestimate your observations. Depression and anxiety. You can blame social media. Public health isn't directly related to pharma or most medical professionals and I am not sure how you're measuring it. And I don't buy it on minors not having the ability to consider long term consequences. I think some development does continue after 18, but that it's not a lightswitch that turns on at 25, it's a process. Adults don't really impress me much more than adolescents in terms of decision-making.

 

Sorry, but the minor lacks the ability to consider long term consequences. They also lack the ability to pay for unnecessary cosmetic surgery, so the position of opposing permanently altering minors is in line with opposing government interference.

 

No, it isn't.

And breitbart isn't the souce. Do you even know what a source is?

There's a link at the very beginning of the article to the story from the AP.

I'd say try to do a little research at the risk of being horribly wrong again, but I think we all know how that will go.

 

So you think the government should be allowed to keep your 14 year old child without your consent so they can get gender affirming surgery.

 

So you believe the government should be able to keep you 15 year old child, without your consent or permission, while they get gender affirming surgery.
That sounds good to you?

 

The 15 year old "child" owns themselves. They are not owned by the parent or government. Whoever they are in the custody of, bears some responsibility for their well-being. The standard of care for their condition is affirmation of some sort, not usually surgery though at that age.

 

Maybe you should learn how to find the resource of the article before you start making claims about it being fake.
Heres a hint, it isn't Breitbart.

 

You are incorrect. We can argue the cause of illness, but you cannot make a case that "leaving it to medical professionals" has resulted in a healthier society. In spite of an astounding increase in the use of antidepressants, depression is still on the rise. Results speak for themselves.

These are not "my" observations. Results are available for all willing to do the research.

 

Meanwhile, in the real world: Teenagers Smarter About Condoms Than Adults Are - The New York Times (nytimes.com) ... Though I guess it could be selection bias in the sense that responsible teens grow up to be responsible adults who aren't having casual liaisons anymore. But the more important point is it's not as black and white as you represent it.

The role of most medical professionals is NOT to make a healthier society. That is public health. That is not what most doctors do. Doctors role is to treat the patients in front of them. They have no control over poverty, politics, infrastructure, etc. that affects public health. A doctor's treatment is judged by whether the patient they treated is helped, not whether overall societal ills are cured.

 

The most ridiculous post I have ever read
So now there are no longer any child custody laws or parental rights laws.
You can tell us all when that law changed? Right?
I'll wait while you figure something out

 

Well you don't understand medical ethics so, no surprise there. You do know the age of adulthood was once about 12, right? They are capable of making decisions about their own bodies.

No I don't believe in parental rights, but it's good to have a guiding adult to help them until they're 18 and beyond and look out for their best interests. An "estranged parent" in the word of this new law, may not be that.

 

And slavery was legal about the same time. So this is your new excuse?

So you think 12 year olds should be able to buy a gun, purchase alcohol, have sex with whom they want?

And there you have it. Fortunately, we have laws that stop individuals like yourself from having custody of children.

 

Clearly they were capable of assuming adult duties, because they did.

Not necessarily. But that's not the same as believing in parental rights. Having a provider who serves as a guide is helpful with the way our society is set up. I think they do drink at that age in parts of Europe. Last I checked, it didn't implode for it. Though my household doesn't drink at all.

I have children. Unsure what law you think applies here.

 

The results are easily researched is you want to have an honest, real world discussion. Playing with words like "helped" and "cured" does not change these results. On the topic of irreversible, unnecessary cosmetic surgery on minors, the minor takes on 100% of the risk and consequences while lacking the ability to consider them. That means they are not patients; they are victims.

I respect your opinion up to the point of taking a scalpel to a minors genitals.

 

All real brave words until you are in a custody dispute in front of a judge.
So you feel free to declare a 12 year old is capable of making adult decisions because we did that 200 years ago
12 year olds should be able to make decisions on sex and gender surgeries because 200 years ago, they were adults
12 year olds own themselves
and you don't believe in parental rights.
Let us all know how that works out for ya

 

They need guidance, not ownership. Given they don't have jobs to make ends meet, that guidance has teeth. But absolutely, their bodies are their own, not their parents'. Judges will overrule parents who are against blood transfusions to save the life of a minor. The role of the parent is to protect and guide. Sometimes, the state has to step in when they are too crazy to do that.

 

I never said anything about taking a scalpel to a minor's genitals. Actually, I said they don't as part of the standard of care. And the procedure is not cosmetic, it's for the medical condition of dysphoria. Cosmetic means there's no medical indication - the patient just wants it.

 

Word twisting. You are LEGALLY LIABLE for ANY minor in your custody.
If they burn down a neighbors home, steal your gun and shoot someone, YOU are liable.
And that liability gives parents the equal right to legal and physical custody of their children. In other words, there is nothing legally impeding either parent from exercising their decision-making authority or having physical possession of their children.

And no judge will order any parent to give their child cosmetic surgery, gender affirming surgeries, or even a tattoo against your will. EVER.
And at the same time, those same judges will remove a child from your custody if they determine you are an unfit parent. That would include harming them beyond repair physically.

The role of the parent is to take legal and physical custody of their children and no amount of your ideas changes any of that.

 

You are incorrect. Cosmetic means for appearance only. Removing body parts to project an image to others does nothing to address the underlying issue. The image of femininity/masculinity is a social construct. It is not possible to change gender and no amount of drugs and surgery will change that. Using our children as lab rats for political experiments should never be tolerated.


While the thought of taking a scalpel to a minors genitals may be outrageous now, I see efforts to make it a normal thing.

Whats wrong with telling them they are perfect the way they are?

 

It's not cosmetic because it is for medical necessity to treat a medical condition, not just appearance.

A simple analogy. Say two women have breast reduction surgery. One does it to look better, the other does it to treat back problems caused by having too much weight in front though may also prefer the appearance of smaller breasts. In the former case, it's cosmetic, in the latter, it's reconstructive surgery.

Gender dysphoria surgery is considered reconstructive surgery. Here is one explanation: Gender Confirmation Surgery: Cosmetic or Reconstructive Procedure? - PMC (nih.gov)


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Even though appearing physically intact, the gender dysphoric patient wears the mask of a gendered body he/she/they do(es) not assimilate to, which provides a mismatch between society expectation and self-feeling. For the sole purpose of dichotomy, the transgender patient could be considered as having a birth defect by not having a body envelope corresponding to their true gender. Gender confirmation (also called sex reassignment) with hormones, mental therapy, and surgical transition, has been shown to relieve symptoms of gender dysphoria and to provide patients with a regained socialization in their true gender, as opposed to their gender assigned at birth.3,4

As a society and more specifically as a scientific community, it is our role to provide guidelines for interpretation and to publish appropriately in the “cosmetic” versus “reconstructive” sections of peer-reviewed journals, based on our knowledge and expertise. We do believe that it is crucial to recognize gender confirmation surgical procedures as reconstructive and classify/publish them accordingly. The alternative would consider a life-changing operation as purely cosmetic and could threaten the insurance coverage for our patients in the long term. Furthermore, it perpetrates the wrong idea that being gender dysphoric is a choice and that undergoing medical, psychiatric, and surgical therapy is a chosen way to enhance one’s physical appearance.
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Here's another interesting article on it: Facial Feminization Surgery: The Ethics of Gatekeeping in Transgender Health - PMC (nih.gov)

 

It is NOT the kids pushing for it, it is the medical complex which stands to reap billions on the butchered bodies of trans folks. Once they do initial surgeries, there is a LIFETIME of lucrative surgeries to deal with the horrific side effects of the initial surgery. All this madness began when they were able to push the cost of these butcheries to insurance companies. That opened the flood gates. My hope is that the class action lawsuits that are sure to come in the next decade convince the corrupt medical industry that perhaps there are no profits to be had in this activity. Have no doubt about this though, the medical industry will push extremely hard to make it impossible for de-transitioners to sue for the damages.

Look up Tavistock. More than 1000 former patients filed a class action and that shut down the clinic...... more than 1000 butchered people who can no longer have an orgasm or have a child...... neutered and turned into physical freaks by an institution whose number one obligation is to "DO NO HARM". Shameful and sad.

 

You're not the authority for all teens.
The medical professionals and legal guardians have a say.