'Toughest gun laws in Australia' to be introduced in WA after shooting at Perth school

Since you've brought race into the conversation, who is killing those Black youths?

 

Amish construction crews?
Hasidic Chess Masters?
Phish rock groupies?
Asian Engineering Students at Cornell?

 

why do so many of you feel a need to complain about our gun laws when you don't live here?

 

"High-powered" in the Australian context really means high velocity relative to rimfire cartridges. For instance - .223 is referred to as being "high-powered" despite having considerably less energy than almost any centrefire rifle.

"Idiot" in the Australian context means anyone who is not a member of the various international security agencies (GCHQ, CIA, ASIS, ASIO, etc).

 

In the previous post...

Chip Roy explains how historically, every regime/government that had disarmed the people followed by the consequence of those people being exterminated by the said regime/government.

So because of the fact that we have the occasional nutter who doesn't know how to use their words and fires a weapon at people instead, does that mean EVERY law-abiding citizen has to suffer and have their rights and privileges taken away rather than other measures such as regular psych evaluations performed?

 

There are 400 million firearms in 150 million or so private hands.
There are 33k or so homicides by firearm per year.
No I don't think the law abiding need more hurdles.
Particularly when you understand that sandy hook's shooter had been spotted by admins, his intent was known, and he stood around like a jamoke presenting the perfect target for return fire had any of the admins been armed.
The issue is gun free zones, not the private ownership of firearms.

Further: I can immediately take action to increase security, and I can do so without touching the rights of the law abiding.
I cannot do much about private ownership of arms, see 2A. There simply isn't any appetite for changing it, Newsom's little stunt is a hilarious example of that. There simply aren't enough states who want his asinine proposal.

You'd prefer there to be less security at a school then there is at an eviction docket. Explain why I deserve more protection while making someone homeless than a child at school does.

 

Put first? No. I simply stated that if you're going to disarm the law abiding, you owe them protection since you've made them an obvious target for malcontents.
I used the example of an eviction docket.

Not so well since members of the brain trust like yourself clutch pearls when I suggest minor security features like not making a whole wall out of ****ing glass.

 

Insulting me won't change anything. You have security checkpoints and daytime security guards at schools currently, do you not?

We don't want to go down your path and put kids through that kind of regime.

 

In most cases? No. SOME schools have 1 cop, and about 4 entrances scattered throughout the property wherein there is no checkpoint.
Suggesting a checkpoint, people like you clutch your pearls. In point of fact, I want to say we've had this discussion before and you have been much scandalized by it.

What kind of regime? Not having a wall made of glass is a regime now? Why must the entrance wall be made of glass? The classrooms are bricked in with concrete blocks ffs, WHY must the entrance to the building be made of glass? What purpose does this serve? The kids don't even SEE that wall but for entering and exiting the building.

 

Since the guns aren't going away anytime soon it's probably a good idea to beef up the security at US schools. Honestly can't think of anything else specifically related to the schools.

The other changes, such as limiting access to weapons for the mentally infirmed and any type of effort to limit the more powerful guns will probably take a generation or two to change, if at all.

 

Are you talking to me? I'm currently living in the states.

I would say it's the parents of those kids that are shot up that are complaining.

 

No ****. Which is why your being scandalized by simple measures like not making the ground floor walls out of ****ing glass is ****ing silly.

Put them in the funny farms and they've got no ability to wander about the cabin.

 

10 USC 246 already addresses access by those adjudicated mentally defective and those who have been institutionalized.

The current attempts to restrict access to classes if firearms in common use for lawful purposes aren't directed at the "more powerful guns". They're addressed at the scary ones.

 

Here is an interesting clip where it's explained what the differences are between particular weapons and what has or hasn't been addressed by the policymakers. So based on "scary looks" rather than its functionality.



Does anyone else see the global trend of firearm ownership? Canada, the US, Australia & NZ. Funny that four of the five "Five Eyes" countries are imposing stricter gun laws.

 

“High powered weapons”

 

]“High powered weapons”
And have you looked at the stats for the number of mass shooters taken down by a “good guy with a gun” ( which as not even a thing until after Sandy hook?

 

Since this is an Australian thread - does that bit of NRA misinformation apply to OUR legislation? PS Greg Steube has an A+ rating from the NRA
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/268700-greg-steube-earns-endorsement-a-from-nra/

 

given the paucity of your knowledge about weapons, I suspect you think an AR 15 is a "high power weapon". when a good guy takes down a shooter before that shooter can shoot a bunch of people, no mass shooting has taken place and no statistics are generated. And let's cut the bullshit-your anti gun agenda is not based on public safety. You already admitted that

 

many are not-many blame the criminals who caused the problems. it's the loud mouthed media whores like Liar David Hogg, who get the attention

 

Don’t care

I consider anything that will blow the head off of a child as a powered weapon but I did not put my definition on this I deliberately left it open hoping for rational debate but what did I get? Some blather about total number of guns

 

Do you wish to police every other poster that dipped their toe into US gun laws on this thread, or just mine?
Interesting that when people state some facts, it automatically becomes misinformation by others. Is that because it lies well outside of the person's perspective of logic? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

How am I “ policing” you? I asked how that bit of NRA funded misinformation applied here since we have specific legislation relating to specific types of guns

 

AR-15s in 5.56mm are not "high powered weapons".

 

If you want to talk about Australian gun laws or events, does everyone remember Port Arthur back in '96?

How does someone with the IQ of snail manage to pull off the largest mass shooting in Australian criminal history? He doesn't. Eyewitness accounts told that he was holding two semi-automatic, military-style rifles and managed to kill 35 people with headshots, the type of kill shots snipers use, and Martin Bryant managed this and injured 18 others by firing from the hip. What a legend, I wish he was one of my instructors when I was being taught how to shoot during my time in the military. After all this, there was no referendum, just straight-out legislation to ban those types of weapons from the Australian public used by Bryant. Since then, law-abiding citizens have been deprived but the criminals still have them.
Will this be the same for the US?

 

OK, given the wounds described by the medical personnel treating them please tell me what are “high powered weapons”.