3 Palestinian college students shot in Vermont

Are you struggling to read what I wrote?

 

Just curious where you got the idea they were specifically targeted for being Muslim. I would have though that would have come out already if there was something to it. Do you have access to other information?

 

Because they were dressed as such, while speaking Arabic, and by absence of any other logical explanation.
It shouldn't be too hard to comprehend that just random out of the blue shootings are utterly implausible.

 

There's two problems with this thesis.

1. You've overlooked logical explanations.

-UVM is in his backyard. In the preceding week UVM students were wearing keffiyeh in demonstration of solidarity with Palestine. The victims were all college aged students. It was 6:25pm which in Vermont in November is well past sunset. He would have seen them near his home commonly. He would not have seen Palestinians near his home commonly.

-Ohavi Zedek synagogue is in his backyard. According to their website they have a minyan from 7-730 multiple times a week. I don't know how traditional they are at that synagogue, their website makes them seem very open, but Jews traditionally walk to minyan. The website also shows members wearing something similar to a keffiyeh that traditional Jews would recognize as a sudra. I doubt it would be possible to discern the Hebrew along the fringe of a sudra at a distance in the dark from the patterns on a Keffiyeh as the patterns are very similar. He would have seen Jews near his home commonly. He would not have seen Palestinians near his home commonly.

-A week prior there was a double homicide of a crips gang member near his home. Drug related violence has grown rapidly in his area since Covid. It's entirely possible he assumed gang activity.

2. You're assuming a guy who shot 3 men without speaking to them was acting logically.

-It's entirely possible he thought they were space aliens trying to rape his iguana.

 

Ah. To dark to see, but not too dark to shot 3 people. har har.

If so, than this can be proven. But it's not. So this hypothesis doesn't fly.

I'm not saying hating Arab Muslims is logical. I would say such hate is present within the Aryan and Jewish far right wingers communities. Subsequently he wouldn't be the first to commit murder because of that hate by a long shot. While I'm also saying trying to murder 3 random people out of the blue is not plausible.

 

Not too dark to see. Too dark to differentiate the difference between: Palestinian, college student, Jewish person, Gang member.

How in the heck do you prove what someone assumed? Mind reading?

 

That's interesting.

 

Source?

Well. You're claiming it was too dark. But that's just inventing a reality.

 

Same source as yours. Speculation.

You imagined yourself in his head, and you imagined him to have acted in a specific way for a specific reason,

So that's you imagining reality.

We're missing information from a very important source. The guy that pulled the trigger is missing from the equation. If we're going to make a decision about how he identified the victims we have to know what he says about it. I'm not claiming it was too dark for the shooter to make an assumption. I'm claiming you unreasonably ruled out misidentification as a possibility. We don't yet know the motive. You're claiming to know it. So while you're appealing to speculation to define the motive, my appeals to speculation cast reasonable doubt. The only way to eliminate that doubt is to hear what the guy has to say.

 

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/news/dr...unteer-with-a-troubled-personal-life-39673363

Uh ohh..

 

The idea of gangs, and not able to see, is your idea and you admitted you just made it up and are unable to prove jack all.

Uh no. You imagined it was to dark to see and presented it as a fact. But now you admitted you made it all up. That makes it your imagination in your head.

 

I'm not presenting speculation as fact.

 

Yeah I had read in past that people who knew him were shocked because he had, according to them, held progressive leftist views.

Nice to have some of his social posts available...I'm pretty confident the FBI wouldn't have been forthcoming with them.

 

Jeesh.

 

So he's due back in court on the 18th...so we still have some time before the narrative flips from hate crime to gun control.

 

You wrote "Not too dark to see. Too dark to differentiate the difference between: Palestinian, college student, Jewish person, Gang member."
And you presented it as a fact. While you actually just made it all up.
You can't prove jack all and got no clue if there actually enough light from lampposts.

You might as well invent it was really foggy there, like in that hitchcock movie.

 

You stated that there is an absence of any other logical explanation [other than the suspect identified the victims as Palestinian]

It is a fact that there is a college within walking distance of his house filled with college aged students wearing Palestinian attire.
It is a fact that there is a synagogue within walking distance of his house attended by Jews wearing Palestinian attire.
It is a fact that there has been gang activity within walking distance of his house.

The idea that we can rule out any one of the potential ways he could have identified the victims as Palestinian, Jew, College Student, or gang member is speculation. Is that clear now?

 

Indeed. And you're inventing a reality that you got absolutely no clue if it's true. How is that a logical explanation?

 

I'm not there one there making definitive statements about the shooters motive.

Might want to ask yourself that question.

 

It's the most logical explanation.

 

It's a possibility, nothing more.

 

We'll see. Once again though, I'd advise you against promoting the idea that you can pretend to logically predict the motives of mental patients who shoot innocent people without even speaking to them.

The shooter's internet history has been made public. It's not looking good for your supposed logic. If and when it turns out you're wrong, might want to do a little introspection. Because in my experience when someone tells me they know what's going on in someone's else's private thoughts, there's a pretty good chance they are projecting.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/vermont-man-charged-with-shooting-palestinian-students-was-progressive-loved-farming-and-teaching-2023-11?amp

People that know him appear to disagree that your conclusion is the logical one.

We'll see which is more correct: your conclusions about a guy you don't know vs statements from people that knew him.

I know which way I leaning.

 

Well, then what is the answer:

 

Maybe later given my bias with poorly trained or mentally unstable gun owners....but for now I will hold off because as you said excellently its too premature to conclude a damn thing. Also I am originally from |ontreal. Vermont is well known to me. Vermont citizens who own weapons from by bias perspective do so for reasons like protecting themselves from rabid animals. I love Vermont. I love Montpelliers, Burlington. You know I am strict with gun training and screening of unstable people but its not fair to impose any kind of agenda on this as you stated. That deflects from the issue and what we know and do not know.