3 Palestinian college students shot in Vermont

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  1. Hey Now

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    Is the Pope Muslim??!! :)
     
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    To the specifics of the topic, I am somewhat confused by conflicting details (reports) regarding whether or not these young men were returning after dinner that had passed his, the shooter, houme earlier or this was the first time they had passed his home that evening??!! I think that would be relevant to intent, motive and premeditation.
     
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    Biden and Bernie Sanders weigh in:
     
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    ‘I’ve been waiting for you’: Vermont shooting is being investigated as a hate crime
    Gee, I wonder why a guy named Jason J. Eaton's Instagram account is no longer available when it was yesterday?
    Got a clue? lol

    "Sorry, this page isn't available."


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    The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed. Go back to Instagram.
     
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    I haven't followed the case or anything, but someone would be just as likely to shut down their Instagram account if wrongly identified as a killer vs being correctly identified.
     
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    What's your point? You got lucky?...lol
     
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    Hard to tell. What is interesting is that he turned himself in to the AFT who were recanvasing the area for possible witnesses and confessed right on the spot, to some extent. But motive right now is still unclear.
     
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    that is one possibility although it is not the only possibility. Time may tell or not or he may not talk or not. So far, he has not said anything about the war to investigators. Just pretty much "confessed" when law enforcement came to his door canvassing the area. That is when he surrendered to authorities.

    Not to be too harsh, but he may have done it to get three meals and a cot for a few years.
     
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    You realize a famous serial killer answered the door to police and said "what took you so long" when they were there on a completely different matter?
    People do confess, especially if mentally ill or deranged. This guy was into all sorts of dumb ****, like crystal healing. Sounds ****ing crazy as a shithouse rat to me.
     
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    You can be sure that CNN, MSNBC etc. will beat this to death.

    What about the Jewish people who have already been murdered by arabs in the US since this all started?

    Already out of the news.
     
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    So very true.

    Wont even hear about it.

    But yea this will be nonstop new coverage.
     
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    I would rather have an evaluation by qualified medical personnel before I would agree the person is mentally ill or deranged. So far, the suspect has not said much as a motive. Most don't when homicide or attempted homicide occurs. However, it was rather unusual during a recanvass that the suspect quite literally gave himself up when the police were there just to see if the people in the home knew anything. Even if he is, or the medical staff says he is, does not mean he could get off by not guilty by reason of insanity. The key question is, did the suspect know what was right or wrong, in the broadest terms, when the act occured?
     
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    Saying a person is crazy doesn't mean they get off by reason of insanity ffs.
    You get off by reason of insanity if at the time of the crime you could not tell right from wrong.

    You can be a serious whackjob and not cross that line, see basically any serial killer ever.
     
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    The one good thing is that the 3 palestinian students are still alive and hope to survive this. They did not deserve to be shot the way they did.
     
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    Facts in evidence:

    UVM is right in the suspect's back yard. The suspect likely saw college aged people walking past / near his apartment often.

    UVM students had recently been wearing keffiyeh in support of Palestine. The suspect likely saw non Palestinians wearing Keffiyeh walking past / near his apartment often.

    Ohavi Zedek Synagogue is right up the street. The suspect likely saw Jewish people walking past / near his apartment often.

    The idea that the suspect premeditated the attack on Palestinians seems far fetched. No prior contact with the victims has been established. I don't imagine Palestinians walk past his house all that often.

    The idea that he acted on impulse after positively identifying the victims has Palestinian seems equally as far fetched to me. Mental illness would certainly explain the impulsive nature of the attack. But if that's the reason, you can't directly impose your own rationalized motive. Mentally ill people don't act rationally. It could be because he saw the Keffiyeh and thought Hamas. It could be because he saw students and connected them to something he hates students for. It could be because perceived them as Jewish. It could be because he perceived them to be the space beings that rape his cattle at night. Who the heck knows?
     
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    He may not walk again:
     
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    It is your response, which makes the assumption. *For most Americans of the mentality to shoot someone here, because of a war in the Middle East, they would not even make distinctions, between different Arab nationalities, or different Muslim denominations. IOW: just being Middle Eastern (but not Israeli) would be close enough, for that type of person-- they're not likely big on subtleties, details, or for that matter, even on thinking. You wanna bet, these guys were not targeted for being Middle Eastern?

    I'm afraid that your personal guarantee of the interpretation of a Palestinian expression, does not outweigh the explanation of a person of actual Palestinian descent (Tlaib). Plus, I had earlier looked this up, and cited an article, saying that it is not as simple, and single-meaning, as you say. I know, amazing right-- that you would not be fully knowledgeable about everything pertaining to Palestinians?

    If that is the only possible meaning, for "From the River to the Sea," then I'm sure it would be no trouble for you to support this, with a link & snip? For some reason, none of the others who have likewise stated this supposed fact, have followed through with any corroboration. Go figure.
     
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    Still not confirmed this was targeted. Seems unlikely at this point.

    Thats simply a strange desire of the left that it was.
     
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    Not at all surprising, that you would think of common sense as something "strange." And the crime is being looked into, as a possible "hate crime." The fact they haven't concluded the investigation, does not mean that it was "unlikely" a case of ethnic targeting. Wait 'til we hear the findings-- then get back to me. Though I don't expect to hear from you then, unless you're pushing some conspiracy theory, as to why the guy is being falsely charged for a hate crime.

    Rather than it seeming anything strange about the left, it seems an oddly curious desire of the Right, that this not be found to have been a hate crime.
     
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    Nothing about what you are applying here is common sense nor sensical at all.

    Many crimes are a possible hate crime lol.

    We will have to wait and see what they find, but as of right now it doesn't appear to be the case. Definitely doesn't seem likely, and certainly no common sense would say otherwise.

    But as usual, everyhing in the lefts eyes is about identity so they strangely want it to be about it.
     
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    Once again, you do not explain the "logic," behind your contentions. You do not find it at all notable that, in Vermont, 3 Palestinian students were targeted? What, then, do you suggest as an alternative motivation?
     
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    Said someone, who doesn't follow the news. Lots of coverage today, about Senator Schumer, giving a speech on the Senate floor about the sharp rise in anti-Semitism. Jews make up 2% of the U.S. population, and are victims of 55% if the hate crimes, according to Schumer. This rise in anti-Semitism has been in the news-- I don't know what makes you think it is "already out." Just because the media covers hate crimes (in this case, only a potential hate crime, at this point) against anyone other than a Jew? Or is it only anti-Semitic, to cover hate crimes against Arabs and Muslims? Maybe it's possible to cover both, without either detracting from the other?
     
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    The motivation could literally be anything, we just don't know yet.
     
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    And the three of them being Palestinian, probably had nothing to do with his targeting them? Because there are so many Palestinians in Vermont, it was likely just random chance? LOL.
     
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    Random chance is absolutely plausible. People randomly get targeted quite regularly. Anything is a possibility at this point. Could be anything. We will have to wait and see.
     
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