To all the border bellyachers out there, tell me what YOU would do, if YOU were President

Its much more difficult, but you DO understand that travel visas and coastlines are a thing? You DO get that most illegals are visa overstays right?

 

ah, so you don't think a wall will really solve this issue as plenty of legal ways to come and then overstay - we agree on this

 

So a good move might be to hire more immigration judges, get rid of the backlog, and adjudicate cases promptly. Right ?

 

A single approach neglecting all others will not solve the problem, no. You'll need to enforce the law on multiple fronts. DACA isn't that.

 

Trump turned down the wall, do you think a wall would have been super helpful or not?

all Trump had to do was help the DACA children, and he would have got his wall

both sides would have been unhappy with that deal, but anyone would have to agree, that would of been a bigger win for Trump, he was just stupid not jumping on it

 

Yes, I do. But not at the cost of amnesty which would only make more pernicious the existing issue.

Again: Here's that cake you wanted, its not my fault its filled with poison I put there. Just eat your cake and don't be ungrateful.
Its silly.

No, both sides would not have been happy with amnesty. One side would have been.

 

the dreamers are not going anywhere, they grew up here, went to school here, know no other home

the right could of had a great wall of Trump, all they had to do is protect the Dreamers

 

I think the stat is more like 40 - 45%, but your point is still good.

 

Noting that the last major Amnesty to illegals was done by Reagan which granted amnesty to some 3 million illegals I'm told. Sure, there were a few other EOs, such as DACA, but nothing on par with the Reagan amnesty, none that I can recall.

 

Gov Abbott Takes The Border Into His Own Hand
This guy shows initiative

 

There has to be a bipartisan border bill, and there is one in the Senate, of whom the lead negotiator for it was Sen. Lankford, a Republican. But,. Speaker Johnson won't put it to the floor, so I think the Schumer is going to go the discharge petition route, but getting Dems in the house to craft a similar bill and find 6 more signatures on the right (218 sigs being required), which will be public info, might prove to be difficult.

 

You could've had that cake you wanted, not my fault I filled it with deadly poison. If you didn't eat it, its because you didn't want cake.

Do you see how asinine that sounds?

 

https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_6540d695-bb50-4d44-90e9-f4587c146cba
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/6860...a-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings
You'd be rather incorrect.

"The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally."

 

It needs to be bi partisan, but it also needs to be bi-cameral. It doesn't matter if the senators want it if the house doesn't.

 

Yes and how effective was that Reagan amnesty that was supposed to be a "ok no one past this point" remedy? Did we hold to that?

Of course we ****ing didn't. Which is why we've had other amnesty's since, and you've got liberals in this thread demanding still more.
Enough is enough. You want refugee status? Ports of entry exist. You get caught crossing outside it? **** you, leave. You're an economic migrant? **** you leave unless you applied properly like everyone else.

 

so the wall was not something maga wanted more then hurting the DACA children, and here I thought the right wanted the wall so bad

 

It’s about More Amnesty, creating just another dangling carrot so even MORE will come. Why couldn’t Dems just want to help the country and fix the borders instead of BUYING more votes and REWARDING illegals? Votes. Scumbaggery.

 

so the wall doesn't prevent more from comming?

 

Again: I want cake, but I don't want it if it's got a poison pill in it. That would defeat the purpose of having the cake which is to eat food, rather than die from eating food.
That's the thing with putting a poison pill in legislation: You know I won't take it.
But trying to blame someone for not eating poison in cake by claiming they don't want cake when they asked for cake not cake with poison, is specious.

 

Again, so you would rather not have great wall of Trump, if it means helping the DACA children in return

MAGA got their way, we have no wall

 

I would settle the people in remote areas and underserved communities that need workers. A problem with too much immigration is that the immigrants all flock to the big cities, which causes more stress on the systems and infrastructure there.

I say let the refugees settle in relatively unoccupied areas. They should be happy to do so. It's much safer and better than where they fled from if they are actual refugees and not just economic migrants.

 

I'd rather not swallow a poison pill hidden in some cake, no. That wasn't a maga only decision.
Essentially anyone not a rabid progressive knows amnesty is a non starter after we've done it so many times to the same result.

 

Like Bureau of Land Management or National Forest land? Or are you talking about rural agricultural areas?

It doesn’t matter where they go, infrastructure is required. They have to have somewhere to sleep and something to eat. And preferably a job at some point. Rural areas don’t have limitless resources either. And a lot less job opportunities.

Around 10% or less of immigrants from Mexico and central and South America who claim asylum qualify for asylum. Nicaragua and Panama are the exceptions at 24% and 22% respectively. The vast majority of asylum claims are just a convenient way to get released into the US without detention or prosecution under 8 USC.

 

you would rather not have a border wall, we get it

 

I was thinking fly over country, or how about Alaska? You could make them live off the land too. It would discourage economic migrants and only the truly desperate would accept.