To all the border bellyachers out there, tell me what YOU would do, if YOU were President

TL - DR

We can simply re-elect the guy that has already demonstrated that he knows how to close the border while elevating Mexico to our top trading partner. You pretend that this is impossible because you are trying to maintain the fiction that Bribed Joe isn't completely incompetent.

The One Border Question Dems Can't Answer

'If the border can be shut down when more than 5,000 illegal immigrants cross per day, then why can’t it be shut down immediately, right now?'

 

gotta love how the OP called them "bellyachers". as if its annoying to hear people complain about our border. We just had a 15 yr old ILLEGAL shoot up a store in NYC. We had ILLEGALS jump cops in NYC (all within less than 3 weeks). I don't think wanting policy that can EASILY avoid such crimes falls under the category of "belly aching"
I would call a better example of belly aching, hmmm, i don't know, maybe something like making 5 Trump hate threads a day. That's definitely more in line with "belly aching"

 

Just bold the part you want to reply to.

 

Declare a state of emergency. Nationalize the guard of each border state, north and south. Prevent illegal crossings, enforce the remain in Mexico policy. Create a remain in Canada policy.

Use my influence (you don't get to be President without influence) to get legislation entered to reform our immigration policies and refugee policies.
Make work visas easier to obtain and longer lasting, but provide a required check in and create a branch whose only job is to chase down overstays. Females on visa must be on birth control. Don't want to? Don't come. Get off it? Voids citizenship of the child here. Get pregnant? Get deported.
Make the naturalization process slightly easier (less time).
Refugees: If you illegally cross, you're out. Forever. Cross at the checkpoints or not at all.

That would do for a start. Run that for a year or two, gather data, adjust accordingly.

 

It is not that complicated. Stop people from illegally entering our country. They can legally enter through ports of entry.

Finish the wall. In spite of the democrat's propaganda, walls do actually work. The wall cannot stop everyone, but it would slow down the illegals entering the country to a more manageable level. Back up the wall with electronic surveillance so that the border patrol can react to people trying to get by the wall and then stop them.

 

Suffice it to say the under Trump we had around a million a year in 3 yeara under bides we are approaching 8 to 10 billion that we no of.

 

....and why are so many people coming now versus during the previous administration?

Because on day one Biden rescinded the stay in Mexico policy which was very effective at stopping these phony asylum claims. These people dont want to stay in Mexico, they want to come to the US. They know their asylum claims will ultimately be denied, so why bother staying in Mexico waiting for the inevitable denial?

Biden incentivized evryone to come, and come they have. With a vengeance.

I guess this is not for legal points of entry, but that doesnt make your implication any more applicable...

How is it that you rationalize that 4 years and 1.3 million is comparable to 3 years and 5 million?

I am confused about how you see this as absconding Biden from responsibility for this massive increase.

 

Where's the other 1-3 million encounters for Biden? Also after comparing the numbers of your source vs mine (which is directly from CPB) it appears that your source is also missing some numbers when accounting just the months your source goes by vs the months shown by CPB by at least 113k. Makes one wonder what other numbers they are fudging to arrive at their figures.

 

There is no use in taking up unnecessary bandwidth. If you feel like I took you out of context explain how you feel I did so and how that impacted the conversation?

I did no such thing. I replied to one of your points. I dont need to repost all of your other points to reply to just one. Your point was not taken out of context in any way. It was a stand-alone point.

 

I think the most prevalent answer I have seen from the right is that the President should break the law. Not only OUR law, but international law.

People from ANY country have a RIGHT to apply for asylum. And OUR law states that you can't apply for asylum unless you are physically in the country. Crossing the border to apply for asylum, whether at an immigration point or ... ANYWHERE.... is not only NOT illegal. Our laws REQUIRE people to cross it before they can apply for asylum.

 

I wasn't absconding anyone.

 

It's a forum rule.

 

What a great way to start an honest discussion. Insult people by calling them "bellyachers" and reduce the validity of their position before they post.

 

The vast majority of those entering the US illegally are not asking for asylum. They can apply for asylum at those legal points of entry. It is not contrary to international law to establish barriers which prevent easy transit of our borders. Locations, other than ports of entry are not equipped to made determinations of asylum.

 

Let me get this straight.... You are offended because when responding to one of several points that you made, I only quoted the point in question rather than the entire post. But then now you have actually taken my quote and add your own words (so you say" into my quote and bolded them....and you think that is OK?

Seriously?

 

Meh, you are misunderstanding the rule. It is intended to stop people from changing peoples meanings by purposefully taking them out of context. It is not meant to lengthen every post by insisting that every reply has to quote the entire post when the entire post is not being addressed, especially when dealing with very long posts. It would be ridiculous to correct a wrong sentence in a half page post that says 50k immigrants when it is really 200k, to insist that the entire half page post be quoted in order to do so. Use a modicum of common sense.

You are misapplying that rule. You can ask them if you like. No skin off my nose. Brevity is the sole of wit. Unnecessary complication benefits no one.

 

If they don't apply for asylum, they can be deported right then and there. No problem. No law, no executive order, no judge ... nothing needed. And the average of apprehension and deportation has been better under Biden than under Trump.

 

No kidding! That's why they apply for asylum, they know its foolproof. Also when you have 10x as many illegals pooring in, you will have a higher apprehension number. You guys think you are soooooo slick with your SPIN but we see through ALL OF IT

 

This poster disagrees.

I didn't SAY "number" I said average. Please do your best to improve your reading.

 

Jesus... Wanna debate the topic?

 

Ahem....Arent you the one that was complaining in several consecutive posts about forum rules regarding whether I need to quote an entire post or just focus on one point? Now YOU are complaining that "I" am not addressing the actual topic because I am responding to YOUR argument.

Haha. That is rich!

 

Are you out of your mind?

 

Because you guys don't want the border shut down.

 

1. reinstate "Remain in Mexico of asylum seekers
2. Strengthen EVerify and penalties for employing illegals
3. Tighten physical, AND technical border security.
4. Abolish sanctuary cities and reduce federal funds to states/cities that refuse to cooperate with INS and border patrol.
5. Abolish birthright citizenship. Yeah, I know . . . Accept that like the 14th Amendment it was created for a different time and circumstance.
6. Establish some form of "Guest worker" visa for filling "jobs Americans won't do".

Probably more . . . these just off the top of my head.

And yes reversing Biden OE'a WIILL WORK. Number of illegal entries has increased by nearly 4X since he issued them. I'm not suggesting just a blanket cancellation, however. Each needs to be evaluated for effectiveness and its contribution to the objective.

And yes, Lankford's bill is complex and detailed. I'd suggest rather than dropping one mega-bill the task should be attacked in phases. Job number one is to reduce MORE unvetted, untraceable immigrants from getting IN. We have systems in effect now that allow crossborder worker and visitors already.

You're correct; it's a huge, very complex problem.