Why Do The Serbs And Albanians Hate Each Other?

there should be separated thread about that

 

I'm not debating against Skanderbeg's resistance since I'm not an apologist for Ottoman Empire, believe me I've respect to him including the resistance as much as you. Almost every nation had resistance, as I stated earlier, even the Anatolian Turkish dynasties themselves made a resistance against Ottomans, dynasty of Karamanoğlu (also known as Karamanid Dynasty) is most known among these.

 

You first provided link from Wikipedia, I just followed that example .

There's nothing confused. Tepelena part comes from Tepelene region where he was born and there's a monument of him.
Tepelenë :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tepelenë
There was even The international Conference “Ali Pasha Tepelena, Albanian Great Statesman" held in Tirana, Albania:

Besides, Albanians massively converted to Islam at the beginning of the 17th century and Ali Pasha Tepelena lived in the 18th/19th century.

 

If there are kurds in kosovo,they better get rid of them quick before they start multiplying and spreading all over the small kosovo.They will have at least 5 kids per family.

 

Kosovo has it's own 'kurds' -

 

I am realtively new here, been investigating a bit and you are very ahead of me when it comes of using Wikipedia as a source(constantly revised and updated). Furthermore wikiislam is a complete anti-islam site and it didnt bothered me to post that part about foreceful conversion of albanians... another example that I am not biased at all....

I gave you a link where it is stated that Ali Pasha originates from Asia Minor , raised in an ottoman family and you keep sticking to your own agenda. After all, in Balkan many personalities have their bio-s full of mysteries regarding their origines...

And finally 17 -th century is not the accurate date of massive conversion of Albanians !

 

I think you completely misunderstood me... dont have anything against Islam nor Turkey. Furthermore, I am strongly convinced that islam(even though I am not such a believer) preserved albanian identity during medieval times from serbian assimilation...

 

And then begin claiming that land for this reason

 

I understood you well bro, I've never claimed nor meant you hate something.

 

Huh ?!

It's not about being biased or not, but about what you try to prove.

It's not my 'agenda', as you call it 'cause we're only discussing here...It's what Albanian scholars are saying and as I showed here, there was even The international Conference “Ali Pasha Tepelena, Albanian Great Statesman" held in Tirana, Albania. I used your, Albanian sources.

Than you must know the accurate date (time line of the massive conversion) since you claim this is not valid. Please, be so kind to provide me with that info. Thanks...

 

Medieval period (times, as you say) in Europe was from 5th-15th century.
So let's say just for the sake of the argument, that maybe one and a half century of that time we, Serbs, were under Ottomans (if I start looking at it from the loss of 'Kosovo battle'). What Islam and your conversion to it has anything with a medieval times and how in the world you can believe that in such a position we had a power to 'assimilate' anyone is beyond my imagination .

 

Yeah...only the "Bosnians" arent one nation,they are composed form three very different nations:Muslims (mainly croats wich are converted on Islam in 15 century) then serbs wich arrived in Bosnia behind the turks,and the Croats.
Also there are three very differnet religons

Altogether a very explosive situation

Personally I think the BiH is window into the future.
Europe for 100-150 years

 

To see who is wrong in this "Conflict" you just have to look the history of Both Nations!

Serbia had war with:
Bulgars
Croats
Bosnians
Albanians
Hungary
(All of these wars happend just for territory!)

Albania had war with:
Ottomans.
Serbs.
And just these 2 wars was made for freedom!

 

You say 'nations' and than link all with countries; you applied some weird logic and even when we were Yugoslavia (twice in the past in a country/union with other South Slavs) you call it 'Serbia'.
I don't remember from the history books that Albania and Serbia been in some war ? unless you are pointing out to WW
For examples to prove you wrong, in WW 2 you allied with Italians (Axis forces) and attacked Greece 1940. although, it was unsuccessful attempt, motive is not what lacked back then; or 'Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia where you still cause a lot of problems to this small nation on a daily bases.

e.g.
Eight Injured in Clashes over 'Church' Construction in Macedonia
14 Feb 2011 / 08:12
Rival Macedonian and Albanian protesters clashed on Sunday at Skopje’s fortress over the controversial construction of a museum in the form of a church, leaving several injured.
Witnesses say that a fight broke out between ethnic Macedonians, who were supporting the building of the museum-church, and ethnic Albanians, who are opposed to the project, on Sunday afternoon.
...
The plan to build a museum in the style of a medieval church at the fortress in Macedonia’s capital has ignited the country's tense ethnic relations.

Nearly all ethnic Albanian political parties and organisations have labelled the project as a provocation from the ruling, conservative government of Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski. Some have called for the construction of a mosque at the same location.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/albanians-macedonians-clash-over-museum-church

If I do look into history books I can easily notice that Albania was always someone protectorate, isn't it?
Albania 1912 'independence'
Albania 1912-1914 'provisional government' until coronation of the prince.
Albania 1914-1925 'principality' , prince William of Albania, actually from German house Wied-Neuwied.
Albania 1925-1928 'Republic' under protectorate of the Kingdom of Italy.
Albania 1928-1939 'Kingdom' under protectorate of the Kingdom of Italy.
Albania 1939-1943 Albania under Italy (WW2).
Albania 1943-1944 Albania under Germany (WW2).
Albania 1944-1992 Communist rule (million bunkers and self-isolation).
Albania since 1992 'democratic' but unable to keep any political stability (I can prove this last comment if you wish me to?).

At the very end, I must ask you to explain how your post, besides taking 5-10 mins. of my time, is answering initial question?

 

Lena, Please dont about clashes in Macedonia and those SMALL THINGS!

If i start telling you what serbians have made the Databse of forum will get full...



When i say you have you killed Million Bosnians in BiH, You say me Hey Albanians have clashed with FYROMians yeturday!
When i say you you killed Thousend Croatians you say me You Attacked Greece(This happend when we was Under italians, And we had to do what they said)
When i say you have killed Thousend and Thousend Albanians in Kosova, You say me You have a unstable Country.
And can you tell me please why you killed French Ultras in Serbia?
And Can you tell me please Why you goverment is made from Mafia?
Can you tell me please why your army is made from Mafia and Monsters?

The problem to serbians is that they try to make BIG THINGS same as SMALL THINGS!

And i dont know why you writed Albanians under germans,Albanians under italians... I dont know what it have to do with our COnflict?

 

Switzerland has three groups with different languages and they get along, at least they don't kill each other on a large scale. Are Bosnians really religious?

 

The language doesnt make big difference, The problem is at the Religions...
You can take as an example of leaving in peace in Albania, 70% are Muslims and the other part are Christians and Atheist but we never had any conflict beetwen us!

 

Bosnia is geographically close and both countries were changing politically, so why did it work better in Albania than it worked in Bosnia in the ninetees?

 

Albanians were ruled by others most time, so they could not really start own wars.

 

The13thMonkey,The history doesnt began from there, I think you know very good that we was before you in those mountains but you with your good armies and with the full support of Russia got our lands.
You have to be happy with what you have beacus you got a big part of HUngaria and you now pretending to get the so called republika srpska!

 

The13thMonkey?

 

Yep i noticed, I was reading somewhere else and i posted somewhere else!

 

The Albanian doesn't get the difference between Croatia and Serbia ... or he knows and tries to show, that Albanians qualify for becoming the 51th state of US by geographical knowledge.

 

Umm I just noticed that the The13thMonkey is a Croatian poster haven't been active since last day of 2010...

 

We can make the difference beetwen Croatian and Serbian, Its so simple,The Serbians are hungry for territory and Croatians for freedom.(They was,Now they have it.)

And yes, i KEEP saying that Albania should become the 51th state of USA, Beacus Europe was and IS Serbian Sided.