Does "Israel" have the right to exist ?

You misunderstand Jesus.

Now, make like the rapture and POOF, be gone.

 

I fail to see what this has to do with the thread topic, which relates to Israel's right to exist.

By introducing this into the thread, I can only conclude that you are no better than the hasbara trolls who constantly denigrate the Palestinian people, Arabs and Muslims in general, and that you are an antisemitic troll.

without looking at the study, I would be assuming that they are looking for genetic links, and for various historical and cultural reasons, Jewish populations are better placed foe tudies of this nature than most human populations.

maybe you don't know much about science as well as being anti semitic.

ignorance and prejudice tend to go hand in hand.

 

Borat has, to my knowledge, never claimed to be a Jew and the Borat character is loved among white supremacists:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t333439/

Judaism is a religion. Anyone can be a Jew and Jews consist of all kinds of different people from various cultures and backgrounds.

 

Christians are not an ethnic group. Jewish people are. Personally I do not believe the Jewish people are a race. The reason the Jewish people are an ethnic group is best described in this cut and paste;

Being Jewish means that you are part of the Jewish people, whether because you were born into a Jewish home and culturally identify as Jewish or because you practice the Jewish religion (or both).

Cultural Judaism includes things such as Jewish foods, customs and rituals. For instance, many people are born into Jewish homes and are raised eating blintzes and lighting shabbat candles, but never step foot inside a synagogue. A Jewish identity is automatically bestowed on babies of Jewish mothers (according to Orthodox and Conservative Judaism) and of Jewish mothers or fathers (according to Reform Judaism). This Jewish identity stays with them throughout life even if they don't actively practice Judaism.

Religious Judaism includes the beliefs of the Jewish religion. The way a person practices the Jewish religion can take many forms and partially for this reason there are different movements of Judaism. The main denominations are Reform, Conservative, Orthodox and Reconstructionist Judaism. Many people who are born into Jewish homes affiliate with one of these branches, but there are also those who do not.


I hope that helps. It’s easy to become confused because the line is blurred between race ethnicity etc. Some do claim Jews are a race, but I haven't seen a good argument to support this claim. I will say they probably have many more common genetic traits than others because of their rules of marriage etc.

Rev A

 

What ignorance! Man! I am a Christian that loves Israel. Anyway, who is Albert Einstein Lisa? His best work was after 1914! And these guys;

Milton Abramowitz, mathematician *
Abraham Adrian Albert [1]
Kenneth Appel, four-color problem [1]
Richard Bellman, dynamic programming *
Lipman Bers, non-linear elliptic equations [2]
Salomon Bochner, harmonic analysis *
Raoul Bott, geometry (Jewish mother) *
Richard Brauer, modular representation theory *
Eugenio Calabi, differential geometry *
Paul Cohen, set theorist, Fields Medal (1966) *
Richard Courant *
George Dantzig, simplex algorithm *
Martin Davis, mathematician *
Persi Diaconis, statistician (Jewish mother) *
Jesse Douglas, mathematician, Fields Medal (1936) [3]
Samuel Eilenberg, category theorist *
Noam Elkies, mathematician[2]
Charles Fefferman, mathematician, Fields Medal (197 *
Mitchell Feigenbaum, chaos theorist [4]
William Feller, probability theory [3]
Michael Freedman, mathematician, Fields Medal (1986) (Jewish father) *
Dorian Goldfeld, number theorist, Cole Prize *
Michael Golomb, theory of approximation [5]
Solomon Golomb, polyominoes [6]
Paul Halmos, mathematician *
E. Morton Jellinek, biostatistician [7]
Irving Kaplansky, mathematician *
Mark Kac, mathematician *
Edward Kasner, mathematician [4]
Nick Katz, algebraic geometry *
Martin Kruskal, mathematician *
Cornelius Lanczos, mathematician and mathematical physicist [8]
Peter Lax, mathematician, Abel Prize (2005) *
Solomon Lefschetz, algebraic topology *
Emma Lehmer, mathematician [9]
Norman Levinson, mathematician *
George Lusztig, representation theory *
Barry Mazur, mathematician *
Louis Mordell, number theorist *
Boris Mordukhovich, variational analysis *
John von Neumann, mathematician [10]
Emanuel Parzen, mathematician
George Pólya, mathematician *
Emil Post, logician *
Herbert Robbins, statistician *
Abraham Robinson, nonstandard analysis *
Arthur Rubin, mathematician
Isadore Singer, mathematician, Abel Prize (2004) *
Richard P. Stanley, mathematician *
Elias Stein, mathematician *
Stanislaw Ulam, mathematician *
André Weil, mathematician *
Norbert Wiener, mathematician, Bôcher Prize, National Medal of Science *
Edward Witten, M-theory, Fields Medal (1990) *
Oscar Zariski, algebraic geometry *

All Jewish.

Rev A

 

I realized it was a joke when the US war criminal Kissinger was awarded it.

 

It is obvious you don't. You must be sorry you missed the happy times of Hitler and co.

 

Oh gawd, another 'pin the swastika' merchant.

 

Judaism is a religion invented by the judiah nation, that nation was conqured, exiled then returned by Cyruss the great, had some decades of freedom then conqured and exiled again, while in exile some built and lived in their own small communities and some in the big cities where intime they lost thier "roots",
its true that converts are called jews and in time you wont be able to distiguese them from the original Judiah ppl, for that i reply:
look at the numbers, the jewish pop outside israel is getting smaller even today, that's because many lose that identity, in ancient times many died or lost their religion during Christianity dark ages, later to rationalism as the world progressed, so math proves there are very few converts to affect anything.
Then you need to ask why would anyone convert to a religion that is kept by a minority, usualy hated and chased throu history,

with the lack of motive or any static proof i dont see converts affecting this in a major way.

since so many lost thier jewish roots over the years it may be that you had jewish ancestors at one time, if so what the diffrence between you and me?,
the diffrence as i see it is simple, my family kept its heritage and jewish culture up untill today, yours didnt, we lived in small vilages for jews only (ask your grandparentsor just read history books) for many generations and suffered many times as minorities usually do in old times, sometimes with the "blessing" of the local authority, jews didnt keep their heratige for so many centuries so it might "steal" a piece of land from arabs one day - that's so shallow when you consider history , they did it because all those years that's all they belived in .

Ours is a very proud and ancient nation and the attempts to deny it are nothing new,so are the chances of it to succeed

 

The Palestinian Authority including Abbas and their allies will never want to discuss of Israel's rights before 1947 that for centuries Israel was unjustly destroyed and that Jews were waiting for justice for thousand of years instead the PA and allies will only talk about Israel after 1947 it is as if Israel started after 1947 because by selling this story it will make it appear that Israel did stole the lands but they know that is not the case, prior to 1947 Palestine was under Jordanian rule there was no Palestine, Jordan lost the war with Israel and gave up all claims sign a peace treaty with Israel but refused to recognize Palestinians who fought for them.

Israel has always been targeted they were destroyed by the Babylonians, Persia, and Rome and Nazi Hitler tried to wipe them off, Israel has the right to exist because it has history support that.

 

Maybe there is some Jewish in me that is why I am a strong supporter of Israel and their history?

 

The Jewish in me is a strong supporter of peace, equality, justice and love for Semites (including Palestinians).

This differs from your hostility towards Semites, from which Jews don't benefit.

 

Israel, Eretz Yisrael, formerly the majority of the land of Canaan, land of the Canaanites, who spoke the canaanite language a semitic language, like the jews who spoke hebrew and the arabs to the south from Arabia who spoke arabic. "Palestine" is from Philistia, land of the philistine people who did not speak a semitic language but instead a Proto-Indo-European language. An area corresponding to the present day Gaza strip which was not a part of the Kingdom of Israel.

 

Indeed, it has always been about peace unfortunately the Muslim-Palestinians and their allies have refused to recognize Israel's history and continue to pursue a hostile policy against Jews and Israel.

Your display for the hatred of Israel runs deep that the only solution is either the destruction of Israel or a two state in favour of Muslim-Palestine.

 

Yes, you have hit the nail on the head.

With other words, if some prominent guy has a Jewish grandmother, then he is a Jews. That is why there are so many prominent "Jews".

If some criminal has a Jewish grandmother and even a Jewish mother, then he is not a Jew.

These guys lost their "connection to Judaism", that is why they are not Jews.

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That is why they call the Jewish Mafia "Russian Mafia".

And if you disagree with this definition of Jews, then you are a bad Anti-Semite and a Nazi.

 

Nations don't have rights. Only individuals do.

End of discussion.

 

But, but Israel is 'special', apparently. Why, I can't think.

 

Invitations go out to PAST winners to nominate new candidates. Follow the bouncing ball?

 

Einstein was a fraud.....like YOU.

 

Poor Lisa, even by pretty low standards of this forum your ignorance is staggering:

Qualified Nominators
1. Members of national assemblies and governments of states;
2. Members of international courts;
3. University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes;
4. Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
5. Board members of organizations who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
6. Active and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (proposals by members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after February 1) and
7. Former advisers appointed by the Norwegian Nobel Institute.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/nomination/nominators.html

And the final selection is made by:
The Norwegian Nobel Committee is responsible for the selection of eligible candidates and the choice of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates. The Committee is composed of five members appointed by the Storting (Norwegian parliament). The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded in Oslo, Norway, not in Stockholm, Sweden, where the Nobel Prizes in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature and the Economics Prize are awarded.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/nomination/

 

But but, if states have no rights (more than questionable statement which you somehow blindly accepted), then a Palestinian state has no rights either. Or being 24th arab state makes it special?

 

Nations do have a right to exist and fight wars to enforce that right. Israel is no different although the people that rain down rockets on Israel, on a nearly daily basis, seem to disagree.

 

Yeah...whatever...



http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

 

It's theirs until somebody takes it away from them by force, as is the rule of ownership.

 

Israel builds bomb shelters, Palestinians build rocket launchers in school yards. Why are you surprised? Since when are the loses in a military conflict considered to be a factor in determining who is right and who is wrong anyway? The Nazis lost millions in WWII, based on your logic they were the good guys, right?