Do Homosexuals Think They Can Get a Free Pass from God?

and your evidence of this? and if he inspired the originals, does that mean that god doesn't remember if he created the animals first, or people. because genesis has both versions.

 

I am a former christian. nowhere in the bible does it state one can't be a former christian.

 

Factually incorrect.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/8_autographs.html

"The original books of the Hebrew Bible written by the original author is called an autograph. These autographs were written on animal skins or papyrus (a type of paper made from reed plants) and because these writing materials deteriorate over time it would be unlikely we will ever uncover an original autograph from the Hebrew Bible. In order to preserve the text the scroll is copied over and over again, these copies are called manuscripts."

 

I agree with you that this is your faith.

Scholarship does not agree with your second paragraph.

 

Though you can not clearly make this case from scripture.

 

Do you imagine that Paul had control of the copying of the Bible all over the known world at the time, and for centuries beyond?
Rank amateurs often WERE pressed into service to make copies, as the only person who could write would be the only available option.

 

Since you admit you only read what openly supports your faith, your education in the matter will necessarily be biased toward inerrancy. If you read more widely you'll learn even more.

 

What the hell are you talking about?!?! Other Commandments? Okay - I'll bite because I already know now you are reaching... Where in the Bible does it state that the 10 were original Commandments or the "others" were to be added on to God's original Ten Commandments?

That was given to Moses's people... The Jews... You are not Jewish are you? If he was speaking TO YOU - then it would be in The Commandment that are meant for all Christians since Jesus stated such! You follow Jesus or do you follow the Jewish Religion?

You have no clue my relationship with God nor Jesus. You are assuming this (which is a big assumption) and basing your argument on this fantasy. In my life, I have been Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, Evangelist, Hindu and studied other religions (even the "forbidden" ones of evil). I believe I have more of a knowledge on the subject than you by the sounds of it...

Jesus DOES say it's cool later. He said - if you forgot - there is no way man can live without sin - all (as you put) I ask is you follow His Commandments and do as follows. New instructions - homosexuality is not in those new instructions is it? And if Jesus gave a specific quote in red - link it from biblegateway.com

You believe in aliens?

The Apostles are people who messed up A LOT!!! I don't follow them, nor do I pray to them. There is only one God and if you have read your Bible and are a Christian you should know that he is a jealous God and for you to only listen to his word that came from his Son. And that is IT!!!

What in the Sasquatch are you talking about?!?! Pentecost is a holiday!! What the hell does Pentecost have to do with anything?!?! The Graduation Ceremony? I don't think so... From what I understand the Holy Spirit descends of folks at church every Sunday! I've seen it happen. Did they "graduate" also? Or are you suggesting that the Holy Spirit only descends on the 11 Apostles?

Yes it will because Jesus stated it would be because homosexuality is a sin and that is why he died on the Cross... Are you suggesting something different?



I beg to differ. Actually, I've been very consistant in what I've said: That may be too complex for you, but I can't dumb it down any further than that. [/QUOTE]

This all started because you stated that there will be no homosexuals in Heaven and now you're saying they can be if they repent their sin... Like I said Sweating to the Oldies!!! You better pray you die in some sweat pants with leg warmers!

 

I'm pretty sure that if I was gay, I'd have even less reason to be religious.

Most religions seem to hate gay people in general.

 

The declaration of Scripture is that God inspired the Bible.

No, Genesis gives the account of creation in Gen.1. Gen. 2 is further information in some areas. Not all areas of the creation are spoken of in Gen. 2.

Quantrill

 

No such thing.

1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Quantrill

 

That the Bible is the Word of God is my faith.

That textual criticism proves the credibility of the Bible is not.

No, your 'scholarship' disagrees. Not mine. Scholars can be found everywhere.

Quantrill

 

I already have with Ehp.2 and Matt.16. The faith of the believer is not his to lose.

1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Quantrill

 

Yes, I am biased. That doens't mean I havent heard the arguments of those who are opponets of the Bible as the Word of God and without error.

This is a forum. You have supposed information from your scholars that differs from mine. Then show it. Don't just tell me to read a book.

Quantrill

 

Yes and nothing Gen.1 or Gen. 2 can hold up to scientific scrutiny.

Bible = Fiction book

 

None of these make your case for you.

 

You might want to read Exodux 20 again. The Ten Commandments were just the beginning act.

Jesus is a Jew. Yes, the moral law of God applies to all who were "grafted in" to God's original covenant:

Romans 11:24
For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Then I have a darn good guess.

So in other words, you don't know where you stand. In the Christian paradigm you are either saved, redeemed, and rooted in Christ or you're not. Any other paradigm I don't care about.

I'll just ignore you when you try to regurgitate already refuted arguments.

If God saw fit to create them. Funny thing is, most ET enthusiasts would rather it was up to evolution and not God. Leaving it to God leaves open the possibility that we're the only life in the universe, a concept they abhor.

Except that the Triune God is eternal in both New and Old Testaments. The dichotomy you draw is only in your misguided imagination.

The promise of the Holy Spirit that Jesus gave repeately finally coming to fruition was a non-event in your mind?

The apostles were chosen specifically for leadership, so no they weren't like just any other believer. "Did I not choose you 12?" Jesus asks, and then promises the Holy Spirit specifically to THEM. Every baptized Christian has received the Holy Spirit indwelling through their ministry.

Yes. Unrepented homosexuals will face eternal judgement. It's not "ok to be gay."

No, you just keep repeating your lie. I've been very clear on my position. You've been very consistant in your lying. But then again, you are of your father.

 

They show there are no such things as former Christians. You give me verse that showed you didn't know what you were talking about as I explained them. I give you verses and you just say they don't make a case.

In other words, you don't have the Scriptural knowledge to refute these verses. Yet 'your' the former christian. ok.

Quantrill

 

Your assuming again… What did Jesus say? His exact words!! You posted them – not me!! He said HIS FATHER’S COMMANDMENTS and there are only 10. There is nothing else in The Book that states that. For you to ASSUME that other things are Commandments when they are not labeled as such is blasphemy and taking the words of the Holy One out of context.

If you think there are other “Commandments” with the Bible show them to me. Now, if they DO NOT SAY COMMANDMENTS – then they are not COMMANDMENTS do you understand that?

Jesus was HALF Jew genius… He was basically in Greek terms a Demigod born from a God and a human mother. There is a name for him… See – God’s can’t die by the hand of man, but demigods can. Jesus died from the hand of man. It’s pretty easy stuff here.

I won’t say He wasn’t God, because you are your Father, because that is who you are just like Jesus is of his Father.

That did nothing for your argument…

Horrible guess… You are the only person making broad assumptions about The Bible. Not me. I read it and take the words literally. YOU on the other hand are religious and follow someone who you TRUST is guiding your right. You believe in what he tells you instead of what GOD tells you. If you would leave church and walk in the valley for a year or so WITHOUT your commune of evil – you might come into the light as Jesus did. But, as long as you THINK YOU KNOW HOW GOD JUDGES US – you will be forever (*)(*)(*)(*)ed…

You are not God, nor can you FATHOM who he will nor who he will not let into Heaven ESPECIALLY when it is never stated by the person you follow and that is Jesus!!!

Uhhh Readers –
Here is how retarded some Christians are… The hear God say, “eye for an eye” then they hear Jesus say, “turn the other cheek”… So, what do retarded Christians do? They change it. Whenever they need to. They will turn – lie- do almost anything to ensure they keep their hatred and use The Bible’s own words to provoke this hatred. So, which do they believe? Do you think they will believe in Christianity or Old Jewish Testament? God says no homosexuality, and Jesus says, “I will die on the cross for ALL sins?” Who do they believe?

I tell you who they believe… The believe whatever idiot told them not to like homosexuals is who they believe! Jesus never said it… Jesus (who is who they said they are following) never said it… They will never find it… It is never within the NT in red…

It just isn’t… But, they will FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL to try to prove that it is… Remind you of another group? It does me…

But now I will continue…

Unlike you IF I do believe in God (which I do) it is a relationship between us. Do I believe in Jesus? I am theist agnostic. I have read the book – and many other books dealing with all God’s and they all say – my relationship, since I am an individual, is between us….

You just refuted yourself… Go back and read it again… He said his Commandments – did you forget posting that? You did that – God’s Word does not lie… And there are only 10 Commandments in the Bible and Homosexuality is in none of them. Unless you can find Someone “stating” God has “REVISED” the 10 Commandments, then there are only 10 now isn’t there?!?!

I could care less about Jem’Hadar until they land… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jem'Hadar

Uhhh… no… I have only stated what is IN the Bible and what IS NOT in The Bible. It is YOU who are making crap up – not me…

I will say this again – PENTACOST IS A HOLIDAY!!!! You do know what a holiday is right? Okay – what does that have to do with Judas not being at the celebration? You read the apostles books don’t you? Before the celebration and have quoted them on MANY occasions, but now you are saying something different that JUDAS wasn’t there so we can’t take his word for crap. So, thus we don’t take ANY apostles word until after the celebration because they were there… Because I don’t know why being at a celebration mean anything? ESPECIALLY since you trust the words of the apostles that they wrote BEFORE the celebration… and I stated this before (with no response) you follow and have posted all kinds of crap from the apostles before the celebration and they did A LOT of crazy crap!!!

What they say is not in Red thus not the word of Jesus…

Jesus could have picked anyone… They are not special in any means… Do they have a special chair someplace as Jesus does? OR are all Jesus’s followers going to be at the same place when they get to Heaven? You tell me… How are they special? Where is the scripture that they will be held HIGHER by Jesus than you, I, Mother Teresa, any martyr… (which brings me to something you might want to read – the Book of Martyr’s. It was written by a guy (forgot his name) that I believe knew Martin Luther if I remember correctly…

A lie is saying that something is there when it isn’t or saying something isn’t there when it is.

Unless you can show us all that Jesus said IN RED not to commit homosexuality then you are saying something that isn’t there and telling us all a lie. Unless you can provide us with something that states that there are OTHER Commandments then it was never there and thus, you are telling another lie….

Shall I keep going? I won’t… You just deal with that…

Also - my best friend (who is coming over tonight) is a Preacher as is my father... My friend? I love getting him WASTED - it's so FUNNY!!!

 

'They never were of us' <--- consistent with a cult mentality.

 

Sure He could have given such an inspiration, but within all likelihood, He might have done it the way it was done, so as to intentionally cause people like you to get upset. You see, the numerology of the scientists cannot figure it out, so you end up with one religion calling the other one wrong or in error. Now guess which one is wrong.