Shouldn't Islam Be Banned In the USA (asked of US citizens only)

It wont take you that long. You can simply summarize it within a few paragraphs. I dont think you have the mental power to write that much! I have written this of course,

http://www.politicalforum.com/ethni...ing-jihad-its-early-inception-modern-use.html

which provides you for a canvas to attack and make your own points but I KNOW YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING SO, hence I dont expect you to elaborate let alone back up your ignorant claim here.

Give me the US justice Dept list with a link for verification.

No that's your game, not mine. If you give me valid information I will agree with you 100%. You have yet to do so however, and the fact you keep saying there is 'loads' of info and yet you cant provide any links or specifics, it seems rather obvious you dont actually have this supportive information.

According to Amazon, the book only analyzes CAIR.
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Mafia-Underworld-Conspiring-Islamize/dp/1935071106"]Amazon.com: Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that's Conspiring to Islamize America (9781935071105): P. David Gaubatz, Paul Sperry: Books[/ame]
Doesn't sound like it the list of 'hundreds' of organizations you continually refer to. If it does, could you give me a page number?

LOL Sounds like your insecurity is being funneled into anger. Siting a random verse from a text does not give me ANY indication of 'what happens in Muslim homes'. LOL You need to give me sociological study or reports giving in depth information to what you are describing, ie the activities of Muslims at home.

I like evidence, you know facts. Perhaps I should call you MR Liar because I'll I've seen is lies and unsubstantiated claims.

If you make mountains of accusations, you need mountains of facts. If you have it, as you say you do, you shouldnt find this to be a difficulty. But we all know you dont have this information hence struggle to support your claims.

WRONG. They're YOUR claims hence its YOUR homework to prove them - its called the burden of proof. Ever heard of it, Mr Liar?

I shall, and in many cases have, but the one you just gave my isnt actually relevant to the point you were making, nor do the overwhelming majority of your comments come with a book reference. Similarly, if you are going to site a government document which you say is discussed in a book, you need to give some page numbers and the like.

haha I've probably read more in the last 4 years than you will ever in a lifetime. If I have a question by way of substantiation in your claims, you need to support it. Doesn't matter if you're king of the world - you have no basis to simply say 'I read books so whatever I say is right'. You need to provide evidence for you claims. If I ask for such evidence you need to provide it to be taken seriously. You have no basis to tell me to get the information myself, since this just shows you HAVE NO basis for your claims.

 

Yep, and as you said, its pathetic, totally pathetic. Their harassment of Muslims generally is like that of Jews in the 19th century.

 

FALSE ! Islam is not diverse, nor is it a religion. Islam is the Koran. There is only one Koran, and not a single word of it has been changed in 1400 years.
All Muslims adhere to the one and only Koran, or they aren't really Muslims.

 

What I think is that you avoided my question.

I asked you no question re: banning Islam; further I've already stated that I do not believe in banning Islam. Can we move on now?

So you are in favor of supporting only those parts of the Constitution that suit your agenda.

Respectfully, the only belief I inquired about was yours, on govt supported religion.

Ah, yes, and exactly there comes the rub, no?

Would you agree that the religious clauses of the Constitution were, in fact, crafted to avoid just this situation?

Legally Actionable

Murray vs Feds

As alleged in the lawsuit, with the aid of taxpayer funds provided by Congress, AIG employs a “Shariah Supervisory Committee,” which is comprised of the following members: Sheikh Nizam Yaquby from Bahrain, Dr. Mohammed Ali Elgari from Saudi Arabia, and Dr. Muhammed Imran Ashraf Usmani from Pakistan. Dr. Usmani is the son, student, and dedicated disciple of Mufti Taqi Usmani, who is the leading Shariah authority for Shariah-compliant finance in the world and the author of a book translated into English in 1999 that includes an entire chapter dedicated to explaining why a Western Muslim must engage in violent jihad against his own country or government. According to AIG, the role of its Shariah authority “is to review our operations, supervise its development of Islamic products, and determine Shariah compliance of these products and our investments.”

As further alleged in the lawsuit, an important element of Shariah-compliant financing is a form of obligatory charitable contribution called zakat, which is a religious tax for assisting those that “struggle [jihad] for Allah.” The amount of this tax is between 2.5% and 20%, depending upon the source of the wealth. The zakat religious tax is used to financially support Islamic “charities,” some of which have ties to terrorist organizations that are hostile to the United States and all other “infidels,” which includes Christians and Jews.

The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, an example of an Islamic “charity” that qualifies for receipt of the zakat, was recently convicted by a federal jury for providing millions of dollars to Islamic terrorist organizations. As a direct consequence of the taxpayer funds appropriated and expended to purchase and financially support AIG, the federal government is now the owner of a corporation engaged in the business of collecting religious taxes to fund interests adverse to the United States

"Freedom of religion" trumps "separation of church/mosque and state" ?

The correct interpretation is Freedom From (state sponsored) Religion, btw.

You seem to think your position enlightened; I find it shallow, a knee-jerk response to a deep and troubling conundrum.

 

You see it. You Know the reason (Mr. Question Mark).

He was right ("There is no other Organized Religion in the World that has this bloodcurdling barbaric Agenda as part of their Doctrine.") You are wrong. Over the past 1400 years, Muslims have killed 270 million people around the world. No other ideology, cult, religion, or nation even comes close to that horrific figure.

The term "Islamofascist" is not contradictory, it is merely redundant since the simple mention of Islam already denotes fascism.

 

Holy shiat, your so willfully misinformed you inspire pity

 

Of course it does. The Bible itself is filled with unbounded genocide, murder and oppression. Christian theology moved away from its barabrain origins to a more enlightened state as it embraced humanistic philosophy that began with the Greeks. Islam should be thanking for preserving such workings, which were also utilized, primarily in Medieval times, but Islamic authorities to develop their internal systems.

Where did Thomas Paine (its Paine not Paines) use the Bible for ANYTHING he wrote? No the reformation was a REJECTION of traditional Christianity. Politically, the wars of religion created the modern nation-state and secularism which operates OUTSIDE of normal Christian thinking. At that point religious officials became the side show of politics, not the same pivotal power they once were. Hence why the enlightenment is called such.

Which Caliphate and in which ways did they follow the Quran and hadiths? Almost all of modern Islamic doctrine was developed upon interpretation and expansion of basic texts - no different to Christianity.

Sure, just like Christians who call for the integration of church and state, and for various forms of old capital punishment, oppression and tyranny.

 

Sure.

Or like (apparently) McCarthyism in the 50's.

Like that fear and ignorance based movement - I think it will eventually pass.

 

LOL My point just flew right over your head. Read your own sources - they dont substantiate your whackjob conspiracy theories.

Give a source to where they state this.

Yes, it is.

Give a link to this supposed judgment from the JD.

I disagree with it. It seems an invalid position to take. I would like to see how and why they came to that classification, and whether they would analyze their own government's actions in light of it.

Go an ask them. Maybe instead they would simply say they wanted to help out Palestinians, which seems totally valid to me.

 

You have not shown how Islam, as an entire religious collective, has these goals.

No its called the First Amendment. According to you the Founding Fathers were "Islamapologist university professors". hahaha!

 

You LIE. I have provided you with a list of whole books of information on your inane questions, + thousands of footnoted reports in those books. *** You just refuse to read them, because you know that they will spoil your Islamist agenda. Instead you keep repeating that I have no facts. Even after I've poured more facts into this thread than you could dream about and you've shown you weren't even aware of basic information like the Muslim Brotherhood's 1991 Explanatory Memorandum.

You're not fooling anybody. You don't know what you're talking about - that's well established.

According to Amazon huh ? Well then, Amazon got it wrong. The book analyzes CAIR AND the Muslim Brotherhood. On Page 278 and 279 is an abridged list of Suspected US Muslim brotherhood figures and on page 235 is an abridged list of Key US Muslim Brotherhood front organizations, both footnoted to US Justice Dept et al sources. Read and learn.

And what do you mean "give me" ? Go get it you lazy bum. Who am I, your slave ?

*** Here's all the facts and information you'll ever need. I'm not going to sit here and write out 7 books for you. You can read these or stay ignorant.

1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel

2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry

5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams

6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy

7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser

 

Wahhabism can be reigned in to cater to a more liberal set of principles.

Yes, it does.

Sure but Christianity is no different in the political sense to Islam.

Of using reason and revision.

In what way do you mean "devoted to politics"? I wander what the percentage is for the Bible, and better yet where you got your figure from.

What I mean is Muslims dont have a 'political agenda'.

I havent really seen it in the manner I described. But we'll see.

Actually it would seem most Muslims in the US think gay rights is an acceptable concept:
http://bloggingishard.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/straight-muslims-support-gay-marriage/
http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2...michael-muhammad-knight-for-goatmilk-debates/
http://www.glaad.org/2011/06/28/muslims-speak-out-in-support-of-lgbt-equality

Where does the Quran teach that? The first Caliph was incredibly secular for his time. The position of Caliph into a religious position changed later. There is no reason secularism cannot be expressed through Islamic tradition.

LOL! Other than a small kingdom on and off, Judaism only had control of society until 1948 before which however it was not secular by any definition haha. Christian countries have been no different. Religion goes through transition socially in this regard. As I describe here;

http://www.politicalforum.com/ethni...ing-jihad-its-early-inception-modern-use.html

Christian rule was far far less tolerant than Islamic rule in the early days in fact. Your point here is ignorant to say the least.

It would seem the 'dumbest' one here is actually you.

Which ones? Western Muslims already have. The rest are varied considerably. Do they need to develop generally, yes very much so. In fact all religious people need to, since they are religious! haha

Sure but Western entanglements have served to counter this effort, so the only person who needs to shut the (*)(*)(*)(*) up here is you mate.

Good to know.

American Muslims are no different to their Christian counterparts in terms of views about secularism, so I dont know what you are concerned about if you are only talking about the US.

I said political and I meant it.

Egypt hasnt got a religious state yet, so no.

Perhaps you dont have the news where you live:
Arab Spring

 

I don't have to show it, any more than an entomologist has to show that bees are capable of stinging people.

No it's not called the 1st Amendment, and the 1st Amendment does NOT provide "total freedom". It provides freedom within limits and one of those limits is to not advocate supremacy over the constitution, as Islam of course does, and no, I don't have to show how it does - the Koran shows it (from cover to cover, and we all know it).

 

"American Muslims are no different to their Christian counterparts in terms of views about secularism, so I dont know what you are concerned about if you are only talking about the US."

YOU KNOW.

 

hahaha! So you want verses from the Bible about violence and oppression?! Seriously that is WAY TOO EASY! haha, should I list them, or just mention the themes of them, since there is A LOT.

Right, no women hanging by their breasts through eternity for the sin of being female and therefore desirable...those passages have been removed.
LOL Which verse is that?

'Directed to Christians'? That's the whole Bible mate. Dont do the dodgy Christian trick of cutting out the old testament. It is INTRINSIC to Christianity.

I love that scene. But unless you're a crazy Irish mad man, I dont know what you're telling me haha.

What the source for this? Seems INCREDIBLY wrong.

 

Yes! Particularly for America, the Muslims is the new Communist.

 

Yep, FACT.

 

Yes they do if someone says they do sting people and someone disputes it. As I say its called the burden of proof. Is the basis for stuff like 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' but you people operate on 'guilty until proven innocent if you're a Muslim'.

Yes it does, for freedom of religious expression that doesn't violate any other aspect of the law, which Islam doesn't.

Where does Islam do that? By your application of this notion, half of America's Christians would be ij the wrong also.

Where does the Quran show this?

 

Nice chart, but there's ONE Koran.

 

From cover to cover. LOL.

But people don't dispute that bees sting people, because they all know that they do. Likewise, there's no dispute about Muslim genocidal-imperialism. It 's been going on for 1400 years, it continues today, and who is removing the genocidal imperialist (and other abominations) pages from the Koran ?

 

LOL! There evidence is so clear yet again you continue to spew out your mindless rhetoric. Islam is perhaps the most diverse religions to ever have existed and yet you continue to not only generalize about what they all think but also how the all define Islam. Completely infantile.

 

If they're no different than Christians, then they aren't Muslims. LOL. Good night.

 

Hard to call 1400 year old genocidal-imperialist-nutballs > "new".

 

Jokes aside, where specifically?

Sure, but if someone DID dispute you would have to prove it.

LOL Yes - virtually every intellect in the field knows there was never any such thing. haha

Total tripe. See here for the TRUTH:

http://www.politicalforum.com/ethni...ing-jihad-its-early-inception-modern-use.html

 

What genocidal imperialism is that? Total nonsense - here is the true record of what you refer to:

http://www.politicalforum.com/ethni...ing-jihad-its-early-inception-modern-use.html