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Is the "Stand Your Ground Law" becoming a license to kill?

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  1. Sab

    Sab Active Member

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    Roderick2013 Banned

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    LOL.

    No, they stalled for weeks until the case made national and international news. By then it was too late to get some of the information that was lost within the first few hours after the shooting

    If you want to know the truth use google and you will find out how the Sanford police botched the investigation, but by your posts you're not one for facts. You just believe. LOL
     
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  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing like a false narrative created by bloggers. That is patently false.
     
    Hoosier8, Dec 12, 2013
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  5. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

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    LOL.

    There have been tons of articles written by experts about how the Sanford PD botched this case.

    You sneer at anything that doesn't support your worldview so whatever.
     
    Roderick2013, Dec 12, 2013
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  6. Sab

    Sab Active Member

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    You can . I am not stopping you. I will bring attention to the nonsense contained in it, though
    Why? He was clealry a hotheaded little thug.

    I realise that it is a littkle difficult for you to understand but in civilised countries you have to prove someones guilt. We don;t assume that someone is guilty and make them prove their innocence (much as the unpleasant left in the USA would want it so. In teh absence of evidence to the contrary Zimmerman is not guilty.

    The only fact that I know for sure is that Martin had ample opportunity to go home and decided that coming into contact with Zimmerman was what he wanted to do because if his intention was to avoid Zimmerman then there was nothing Zimmerman could have done to stop him.

    GFYF!![/QUOTE]

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    What experts? list the articles.
     
    Sab, Dec 12, 2013
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  7. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah yes, you can find "armchair experts" hiding behind every rock. The facts are history and not blogger history.
     
    Hoosier8, Dec 12, 2013
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  8. superbadbrutha

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    Did the 72yr old man with Alzheimers attack him?
     
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  9. superbadbrutha

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    Hmmmm, a hotheaded thug with no gun, how many thugs do you know that don't carry a gun?

    You only have to prove someone's guilt if they are white, how many innocent black man have spent countless years in prison for crimes they didn't commit and how many are still there.

    Why is it that Zimmerman had a right to get out of his truck and chase Trayvon, but Trayvon should have gone home. Why didn't he have a right to walk home taking whatever right he wanted to, as long as, he wasn't bothering anyone else.

    How about this, Zimmerman was the adult in the situation why didn't he stay in his truck and allow the police to do their job. If he thought Trayvon may have had a weapon why would he get out of his vehicle with a loaded weapon and chase him?
     
    superbadbrutha, Dec 12, 2013
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  10. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless you post again those "facts" you provided, I can't argue either way.

    But it is NOT my habit to deny REAL FACTS. . .unless they are only "facts" in the mind of very biased people, or propaganda spewed by an obviously skewed source.

    So. . .If you would like to go back and show where and on what occasion I denied "facts," I'll be happy to look at it.
     
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    rule 10 challenge. Please show an example of this.

    OF course I will easily counter with examples of white men who were wrongfully convicted to.

    Oh, I think I could come up with some instances of black men who got away with murder to .
     
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    I could show plenty of them, but whats the use when you already know them.

    Yep and who put them there?

    Who OJ, had OJ been the average brutha on the street his ass would be in Pelican Bay on Deathrow. Money is the only thing that got him over.
     
    superbadbrutha, Dec 12, 2013
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    No (*)(*)(*)(*), sherlock. That's why you train.

    Well, for whatever reason, her son has chosen not to have a social life, so no, he doesn't come in late at night. Regardless, my dog will alert me if there is an unauthorized person in or attempting to get in our apartment.
     
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    Not really. People have a right to check their own property. This sounds like an accident. They do happen.
     
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    But hey lets let the cops have guns!!! That is a great idea!!! What about Ibragim Todashev??? FBI outright murdered him in Orlando and still NOTHING.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Wenatchee-Wash-officer-fatally-shoots-man-5060242.php
    drug bust turns into murder.

    [video=youtube;4cAAM4TXPdw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cAAM4TXPdw[/video]

    [video=youtube;L3FHdSxYAQE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3FHdSxYAQE[/video]

    [video=youtube;fHeICQpCGrI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHeICQpCGrI[/video]

    [video=youtube;UGCyWz45Zt8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGCyWz45Zt8[/video]

    [video=youtube;FB9J6onHSSM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB9J6onHSSM[/video]
     
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    Did he?
     
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  17. Hafez

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    [video=youtube;Ins9VAo-xLY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ins9VAo-xLY[/video]

    More POS cops with guns you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bags.
     
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    Off duty cop doing what they do.

    [video=youtube;DkhrWZ6twjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkhrWZ6twjw[/video]
     
    Hafez, Dec 13, 2013
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  19. Meta777

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    Geez! This appears to be a pretty extreme epidemic.
    What do you propose we do to fix this?
     
    Meta777, Dec 13, 2013
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    I don't know of anyone who carries a gun, hotheaded thug or not. I live in London and we don't 'carry guns' here.No shortage of thugs, though.
    Like OJ you mean?


    Why is it that Zimmerman had a right to get out of his truck and chase Trayvon, but Trayvon should have gone home.

    Zimmerman did not chase Martin. He followed from a distance. Martin could do whatever he liked other than attack Zimmerman. He chose to attack Zimmerman

    Attackimg someone else normally counts as 'bothering them'.
    He did allow the police to do their job.

    He didn;t chase him. He followed at distance.
     
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    Disarm them, prosecute the evil ones IMMEDIATELY and stop hiring trained killers " ex military" as peace officers. Military are for killing and they have ZERO business being police officers.

    All of these videos are CLEAR examples of why an armed populace is needed.
     
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    I agree we definitely need to prosecute and convict a****s who do stuff like this.
    You say ex military should not be cops, though is it really mostly the ex military folks who are committing these heinous acts?
    I always figured that ex military cops would be the ones most able to exorcize self-control due to their more rigorous training,
    especially vets of Afghanistan and Iraq, as their former roles would have likely required them to interact with the locals on a daily basis,
    across cultural lines, and within a high stress high stakes environment, all without causing a disturbance or incident unnecessarily.

    We already have an armed populace. But will further arming actually fix the issue, or will it exacerbate it?
     
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    If the military is being moved to the peace forces it becomes a de-facto military. These people are NOT your friends nor are they here to protect you or your rights. They are thugs and should be dealt with accordingly.
    Those with military service, especially those who served during wartime should be completely barred from joining police departments. War changes people, desensitizes them to death and killing, causes the individual to develop hair trigger habits and an inability to to cope with stress in a positive manner. War is the art of killing, and that mindset is not easily changed once it is engaged. Only fools let their soldiers perform police duties. Even Rome knew this and it is the sole reason why the senate turned on Caesar when he crossed the Rubicon.
     
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    You think that is the sole reason? Nothing to do with Pompey's jealousy over the increasing power of GJC?
     
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    It is not every police officer that is the problem here, right?
    I believe it is only a small handful of individuals and a select few of the leadership
    who commit and or condone such acts and who cultivate this perceived police culture of violence and brutality.
    I don't understand why you feel the need to pin this on the ex military members. Do you have some actual evidence that they are primarily responsible?
    Like I said, unless they are suffering from PTSD or something, their prior experiences should make them more equipped to handle the stress, not less.
     
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