Is the "Stand Your Ground Law" becoming a license to kill?

Pompey was as corrupt as Caesar. Cato the younger was one of the only true believers in the law and the republic and consistently (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) slapped Caesar philosophically.

 

I didn't know people were doing that yet. But is the neighborhood anymore restful?

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And I don't really give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Zimmerman or Martin. I find that I'm quite safe when I use muh Brainz!

 

No, not all. The difference is the military are NOT peace officers. The military protects and serves the state. The ONLY experience that translates over to law enforcement is weapons training. There is literally nothing good that can come of
having ex military as peace officers. Jack booted thugs they are. Military are trained to KILL for the state, that is their sole purpose. If you cannot understand why, philosophically having trained killers performing peace officer duties is a bad idea then I do not know what to say. I mean c'mon, the sole purpose of a military is to KILL others... what part of that is good in peace time?

The more I think about this conundrum we find our selves in, the more I fear for the health of the human race. You have been brain washed into celebrating those who KILL other people for a living. There is nothing noble about battle. There is nothing romantic about being a soldier. Teach your children to love and help one another not to worship your masters and kiss the boots they kick you with. We should disband our standing armies.. worldwide. until then arm yourselves to the teeth and pray for smooth sailing.

 

Protecting americans by engaging in a 10 year war of aggression against multiple countries, encouraging chemical weapon usage, funding Al-Qaida, while racking up over an astonishing 1 million in civilian casualties? How about that drone strike that just killed 15 wedding party members who were mistaken for terrorists??

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12/12/us-drone-strike-kills-13-in-convoy-heading-to-wedding-party-yemeni-officials/

Tell me sir, how did that military strike protect yours or my rights?

 

That is not what I asked. I am well aware of MPC and his attitude to the republic but he didn't control the senate in 55 BC.

Catos objection to GJS came from the fact that he was shagging his sister, Servilla Caepion and didn't marry her.

The fact that Cato opposed giving republic land to army veterans as farms so that that land could continue to subsidise the incomes of the wealthiest landowners speaks volumes of Cato's intentions. Cato was always about defending the interrests of the Patrician class and opposing any reforms that would aid the poor.

 

the USA didn;t fun al qaida.

It ran wars against agressive countries , it has acted AGAINST chemical weapon usage and it certainly has NOT caused 1 million casualties.

 

500k dead kids in Iraq alone because of the sanctions... Do you think it was worth it as well?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WDCYcUJ4o

 

Nope, the us govt knew that syrian rebels were behind the chem attacks and before that we were ok with iraq using chem weapons agaonst iran. You are funny.

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Nope, the us govt knew that syrian rebels were behind the chem attacks and before that we were ok with iraq using chem weapons agaonst iran. You are funny.

 

Well the explains why you shouldn't comment on what is happening in America when you don't know.

Really, how do you follow someone from a distance when you claim you don't know where they went. Show the evidence again that shows Trayvon attacked Zimmerman unprovoked if he attacked him at all.

So does chasing someone.

No, he tried to do their job for them.

Again how do you follow someone at a distance when you claim you don't have a clue where they are. Shoots down that theory.

 

He was NOT unarmed. AND, he specifically got out of the car, after having been ordered, several times, to stay IN the car. IMO this was (intentional) suicide by cop. All he had to do to stay alive was keep his ass seated. Yeah, the officer was their to arrest him, so he would've ended up in jail, which seems better to me than dead, but it appears he thought otherwise.

And this video is also a good example to point out to people who say "Why do you need more than X number of bullets." 13 shots (though I don't think they all hit) and this guy is STILL coming.

 

Most people who have CCW don't train unless they have to in order to get the CCW license. But even if they do train, none of the training that I know of demonstrate what to do in every situation. You generally listen to lectures. Firing at a gun club is not my idea of "training" other than learning how to shoot. Going to weekend warrior projects is not training either. It is fantasy, for the most part because they don't deal with realistic scenarios.

Dogs will alert you if a cat goes rooming in your yard and your dog happens to smell the scent of the cat. If you aunt comes in the middle of the night, more than likely your dog will alert you as well. The problem is you cannot rely exclusively on your dog believing that the person outside is unauthorized. If you are properly trained, you ill investigate, ask questions, and be prepared. Hopefully, you won't shoot first and then ask questions. That mentality gets people killed.

 

Huh, what? Are you saying that it isn't appropriate to just open the door and start blasting if you hear a noise?

 

Care to document that, or are you just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up and throwing it out there as "fact"? EVERY single person I personally know that has a CCW trains regularly, except for one person who has a permit, but does not actually carry.

Proving that you know not of what you speak. Realistic scenarios is PRECISELY what we focus on.

Don't have a cat, and my Aunt doesn't even know where I live, much less have a key. And, as I live in an apartment, I am unconcerned with someone outside, only someone who gains entry into my apartment, aside from the three people currently authorized unfettered access.

Of course. But, if I'm awake, and someone kicks the door in, pretty safe bet it's not a buddy looking to watch the game and share a few drinks. And if I'm asleep, and it's 3 o'clock in the morning, and there's an unknown person in my living room, they better follow my orders to the letter, or they will be leaving with more holes in them than they arrived with.

 

I doubt the validity of that statement. I've met THOUSANDS of people who have CCW permits, and most of them do NOT train, oh they may go to a firing range occasionally, but they don't train.

75% of Americans are idiots, its only logical to figure that 75% of Americans who have CCW permits are idiots.

 

Doubt it all you want, it remains true. Frequently we train together. Now, it's true that I likely have friends who have permits that I am unaware of. And it's equally true that if I am unaware of their permit status, I have no idea what kind of training they do. And it's even MORE true that I think anyone who has a permit (at least if they actually avail themselves of it and carry) who DOESN'T train is stupid. But there is no cure for stupid.

 

Oh there's a cure for stupid, but we don't allow summary executions in this country.

 

From your statement it appears you have NOT read the evidence nor paid attention to the trial and instead engage in unsupported conjecture. Your assertion that you know what Zimmerman thought or believed are utter nonsense.

 

Yes it was not a SYG defense why do you continually make that false assertion? And they didn't go to the pre-trial for tactical reasons, the judge had already showed her bia's in letting it go to trial at all and there was little reason to believe she would toss it at the pre-trial and her not doing so would prejudice the case. This was clearly explained at the time and you know it.

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Cite where they ever said they would invoke SYG and that they had changed their mind.

 

Just because you know someone does not make your opinion as fact. I am a CCW holder as well. I am also have a class 3 federal firearm license. That means I can legally own automatic weapons as a "gun collector." However, as a CCW holder and most of the ones I know of, we don't train all the time. Some of my friends who do go to the gun club to shoot are doing it more for fun than anything else. And that is not training, per se.

There are three places I know where you can do weekend warrior projects. Most of the time, it is for fun and we use paint pellet guns for the event.

You missed the point I was making. Just because your dog barks does not mean an intruder is present. There are also other reasons why your dog barks. After all, a dog, like any other aninimal, cannot differentiate between a cat or a burglar. They can be trained to do very specific jobs, but not your typical household dog pet.

There is a huge difference between someone kicking your door in and your dog barking at someone because they ran across your lawn. Like I said, you better you your brain first because that is the weapon for your defense, not the shoot first and ask questions later.

 

You do know there was a SYG hearing schedule in April, don't you? Or are you going to ignore that little fact as well as other facts. Now, who requests a SYG hearing? It certainly isn't the prosecution, that is for sure. It is not required for every self defense claim either.

So tell me, why was the SYG hearing scheduled? Was it because of the Zimmerman haters?

 

Your experience, and mine, are different.

What is it that you envision, that if my dog barks in the middle of the night, I'm gonna just grab my piece and start popping off rounds in random directions? There are only 3 ways into this apartment. the front door, a window over the sink, that happens to sit virtually adjacent to the front door, and the deck, but that would require a long ladder as we're on the 3rd floor. So, if my dog starts going nuts in the middle of the night, I'm going to INVESTIGATE. Grab my gun and flashlight, and find out what is happening. Is there someone in the apartment? If so, is there even a remote possibility that they're legit? Perhaps someone who used to live here who has dementia, and forgot that they don't anymore?

Regardless, while I am not stupid enough just to go popping off rounds through doors, if there is someone here, they have 3 courses of action. Run back outside as quickly as possible. Comply with my instructions to the letter. Or be shot. Because if they're willing to advance on me, knowing I'm armed and have the drop on them, they're either also armed, drugged up, or physically dangerous whether they're armed or not. Or all of the above.

 

SOP. The defense never asserted SYG.

 

The problem is that you cannot generalize on what a person will do or what you will do. That is not using your brain even though you are trying to make some invalid point.

Yes, the dog is barking. You investigate, you are prepared, but the chances that it is someone is remote and the chances is that a dog is being a dog is more likely. That was the point. You can be a drama queen that will always be someone who is in your home, but that does not prove or discount one thing I am stating.

Yes, your experience and mine are different, but I think all the training you are allegedly doing is going to waste because nothing what you have stated is what most people who have a CCW face on a day to day basis..

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but you do know the defense originally requested that hearing, don't you? BYW, it is not SOP. That is pure hogwash.