War on ISIS - A coalition of the unwilling

The Administration is claiming that 10 countries have signed up as allies. Saudi Arabia is one but they will have a limited role due to not offending the multitudes of ISIS supporters in their country. Turkey would not sign up ... they have 50 diplomats currently being held hostage and are worried about weaponizing the Kurds. few other middle eastern countries such as Jordan have little to offer.

There are two middle eastern countries who are not afraid to, and have the capability to, tackle ISIS.

1) Iran - but they were not invited
2) Syria - The foreign Deputy minister stated ...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...ign-minister-were-fighting-same-enemy-n201136

Now that is the kind of partner we want against ISIS.

Instead the US Admin wants to continue to support extremist Islamics inside Syria to fight ISIS (calling them moderates)

There are no such thing as "moderate" Rebels in Syria and there never has been. Of course a few are going to tell the US anything they want to hear to keep getting money an weapons. Moderates do not form alliances with Al Qaeda and An Nusra.

The clown show continues unabated.

 

Totally agree.

 

Italy can be ignored as member of the coalition against ISIS [we are not megalomaniacs and we tend to be predictable .... usually we attack at the sunrise!].

Jokes a part, this coalition promises something real, you shouldn't undermine it. We can do well and we will do well.

 

This is a total mess. Who will unravel it? We are entangled in our own cob web of local and global conflicts.

 

Where did you come up with the word "multitude" of supporters?

 

from the fact that 23% of Saudis are wahhabi and he thinks that ISIL is wahhabi anda mulitude of Saudis support ISIL because ISIL has declared the house of Saud their enemies.

I guess I'm just havng a hard time identifying the nature of his gift.

 

The unwilling led by the incompetent to do the unnecessary. Never have so many done so little for so many.

 

It's a terrible situation where a US win is almost certainly dead on arrival. I expect little will improve and it will be a watered down solution, meanwhile I don't have faith in the "natural allies," Iran and Syria, who are our worst enemies to be of any help.

 

ISIL isn't Wahhabi.. They are Sunni..

The vast majority of Saudis support the SAG.

 

The population of Saudi Arabia is 29 million people. 23% is roughly 6 million people. Is 6 million people not a multitude ? Which religion in Saudi Arabia is bigger than Wahhabism ?

That you do not understand that Al Qaeda and ISIS both share Wahhabist ideology is not my fault. Get some education. Just because ISIS thinks it can do a better job than the house of Saud at "keeping up the faith" does not mean that ISIS and Wahhabism are not similar religions. There is a large amount of support for ISIS ideology in Saudi Arabia and many fighters for ISIS come from Saudi Arabia.

As with any nation his does not mean that the leadership favors what every one of it's citizens do. The fact remains that the Saudi's were major supporters of extremist Islamic groups within Syria.

 

They are NOT similar.. Wahhabis are overwhelmingly peaceful..............

The Saudis have been consistent in warning Saudis NOT to fight in Syria, arresting those who return from Syria and freezing assets of those who fund ISIS or any terrorist/rebel faction.

 

10 Million of the 30 are not citizens but workers coming from all over the globe to save labor for the lazy Sauds.

 

Anybody who is not peaceful, the cut him up.
It's a freeking dark age monarchy.
Of course they are 'peaceful'.

 

Out of that 29 million there are almost 9 million that are non-nationals. Imported workers IOW.

I have seen nothing to suggest that ISIL is wahhabi or salafi, merely that they are sunni. Extremists are extremists regardless of what they might call themselves. As an example you might relate to, Jim Jones called himself a christian.

BTW, wahhabism is a "school" of sunni Islam. It is the same religion, different intepretation. ISIS is not a religion in any way shape or form.

I do agree that education is best, and I would be happy to discuss it further when you get some.
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Actually its more like 6 million expat workers.. who earn far more money than they could in their own countries.. and they support large extended families back home.

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You obviously have never spent time in Saudi Arabia or perhaps anywhere outside the county where you were born.

 

??? They are both.

 

There are lots of nincompoops around who call all radicals "Wahhabi"... and they aren't.

 

And yet they overwhelmingly responsible fo the majority of terrorism carried out by Mulslims.

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More than 9 times out of 10 they would be correct.

 

Wahhabis are peaceful? I will admit I am not educated with KSA state religion. Here is a PBS interview with Ali al-ahmed.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/interviews/ahmed.html

 

Here are some excerpts from the knowledgeable 'Moon From Alabama' as to what our warmongers in Washington might really be up to. Seems like Assad has real reasons to be worried...as does Russia. Imagine what would happen to the people in Damascus if our Washington sociopaths succeeded in their attempts to dislodge Assad?... Of course our government wouldn't care, all they'd have to do is start their media blitzes and create the illusion Obama has saved the people from a tyrannical government rather then being the one helping ISIS kill them off.

I cry for my country and what we have become...and we will suffer for it, make no mistake:



The New "Regime Change" Plan - Attack Damascus From The South

There are serious active preparations for a new attack on Damascus. Anti-government forces, including the Al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, have been trained and equipped in Jordan and are now moving into their starting position in Quneitra governate in south-west Syria.

Quneitra governate is a strip next to the Israel occupied Golan heights with a southern border to Jordan and a north western border with Lebanon.

The anti-government forces cooperating for this operation are the Syrian Revolutionaries Front (SRF), which is backed by the United States, assisted by the Islamic Front, backed by Saudi Arabia, and al-Qaeda's Jabhat al-Nusrah which just received some $20 million from Qatar. These forces infiltrated from Jordan through Daara and then up north-westward along the border with Israel. This movement, during which some UN observers were kidnapped by these forces, was supported by Israeli artillery strikes against Syrian units that tried to prevent it.

The sole border station between Israel and Syria is now in the hands of the anti-government forces. The Israeli military is also providing medical support to these anti-government forces. The UN has pulled out all peacekeepers from the Syrian side of the Golan height demarcation line.

The anti-government forces now control a 40 miles (70km) long, three miles (5km) wide strip from Jordan along the Golan frontier up to Lebanon. This strip can be used to infiltrate into Hizbullah territory in south Lebanon but its main purpose is likely an attack on Damascus from the south. The Syrian military would have great difficulties to dislodge the anti-government forces from this strip as it is covered by Israeli anti-air and artillery fire.

There are rumors that Jabhat al-Nusra is leaving positions it has been holding in Hama governate in north Syria. It's groups are pulling back into Turkey to be transferred to Jordan and then as reinforcements into Quneitra.

The rather empty Quneitra area makes little sense to conquer except to be used as a launching pad for an attack from the south towards Damascus. The distance to the capital is only some 40 miles (60km). While two Syrian army divisions are stationed between Quneitra governate and Damascus coordinated air attacks against them could open and secure a route from Quneitra governate into the capital. Recent truce agreements between the U.S. supported Syrian Revolutionary Front and ISIS in the area south of Damascus may have been concluded with these attack plans in mind.
The U.S. military in the joint Arab-American operations room for the Syrian insurgency in Amman Jordan may well plan to use the murky new "war on ISIS" as pretext for attacks on the Syrian army divisions protecting Damascus from the south. Coordinated with a ground attack by Jabhat al-Nusra and others from Quneitra such air attacks would seriously degrade the Syrian forces and enable a destructive push into Damascus.

Obama already announced the escalation path for such air attacks:

He made clear the intricacy of the situation, though, as he contemplated the possibility that Mr. Assad might order his forces to fire at American planes entering Syrian airspace. If he dared to do that, Mr. Obama said he would order American forces to wipe out Syria’s air defense system, which he noted would be easier than striking ISIS because its locations are better known. He went on to say that such an action by Mr. Assad would lead to his overthrow, according to one account.

The stampede to attack ISIS may have been pure maskirovka to hide this violent regime change attack plan against Syria under some "anti-terrorism "label. This at the same time as the plan is coordinated with and actively supported by Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, and made possible through truce agreements with ISIS.

 

Here is something interesting about ISIS from Greek Defensenet. They do state facts which are not mentioned in other news sources. The only problem with Greek is it's grammar which is quite difficult, and so sometimes it can be mistranslated. I'll edit it as best I can:

Turkish MIT (intelligence) trained 22,000 Islamic fundamentalists who are now fighting in Iraq and Syria under the banner of ISIL said a Turkish MP of the Hatay region. The Hatay region which is located near the Turkish border has a large Kurdish population and was the area in which the Islamist insurgents would flee to when they were being closed in by the Syrian army in order to escape and treat their wounded.

Mehmet Ali Ediboglu the Turkish MP region of Hatay said that 22 000 Islamic organization ISIS-ISIL, received the necessary training in Turkey before embarking on missions to Syria and Iraq. According to the news IRNA, the Mehmet Ali Ediboglu party CHP (this is the Kemalist party which opposes Erdogan's AKP) made statements from Ankara and said that since the beginning of the conflict ISIS was being helped by Turkey and gave them logistical and armament support...and everyone knows this.

 

What is your country?





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Am ithe only person on the forum who supports isis?

 

Statement by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at the International Conference on Peace and Security in Iraq, Paris, 15 September 2014

 

Excuse my crudity but what the hell is wrong with this president and his apparent unquenchable desire to rid the entire region of every secular leader around. Why does he have a hard on for Assad. Because of Iran, because of Israel? I mean what doesn't this guy understand about the dangers of leaving a political vacuum which has occurred in middle eastern regime change. What doesn't he get and who the hell is advising him!