War on ISIS - A coalition of the unwilling

Why would you believe "Moon over Alabama"? Jeannette didn't even post a link.

 

This was also in Press TV which has its,problems as well however the alleged statement from our president should be easy enough to verify.
Besides I truly believe that he wants any secular middle a eastern leader toppled and he has almost completed his task. I think we should take Assad up on his offer.

 

Obama would have been pleased as punch if the Arab Spring hadn't erupted on his watch..

Take Assad up on his offer??? you mean as the lesser of two evils? The Syrian people don't want him... that's the source of this whole affair... That and reducing Iraq to a banana republic.

 

Because Moon of Alabama not only appeals to my intellect, but because he appeals to the intellect and has been quoted by quite a few people I respect highly, so let people judge for themselves. Here's the link:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/

 

You mean "where barflies gather"?

 

I try avoid dictatorships and mid-evil monrchies like Saudia Arabia, than you very much.
Other than that, I've been to much more countries than most people on the globe.
Anyways I'm a Jew, and Jews are not allowed to enter the racist and aparthhid state Saudia Arabia.

 

I have met several Jews in Saudi Arabia... They were trying to sell financial plans.

 

Margot if the Syrian people didn't want him, why are the jihadists who are fighting him coming in from countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey, why aren't they Syrians? I think Washington has said enough lies. Assad was voted in by the Syrian people, and the polls were observed by many nations...but I guess not by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and the U.S., not because they weren't invited, but because they didn't want to give legitimacy to a regime which went against their own interests.

 

Assad was the ONLY candidate..... and most of the fighters against Assad are Syrian.

 

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Yet the Syrians are still joining Assad's army, so maybe you should ask yourself why...or doesn't it matter to you what the Syrians think, only what Washington, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey think?:

 

*shrug* Gun point?





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That's lie Margot and you know it. All the Syrian protesters joined the Syrian army when they realized who and what was behind rebellion.

 

Things have changed since the 40s

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Quite the opposite. There was mass defection from the Syrian military.

 

Just like Al Qaeda and so on ? Not sure where you are coming from here but both have a similar "Strict Sharia" ideology.

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But you were allowed to Enter Syria back in the days prior to the revolution.

 

This is not true or at the very least disingenuous disinformation. I know Syrians personally. The people did not like Assad (what else is new about citizens and politicians) but they hated the rebels far more. The Christians were especially terrified of the rebels .. and as we have seen, for good reason.

 

Do not blame your ignorance of religious ideologies and how they relate to ISIS on me.

It is not like the connection between Wahhabism and ISIS is some secret. This connection is being discussed at length on many media outlets both left and right. Whether the connection exists is not part of the discussion (that would be like questioning whether or not the sky is blue).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html

If you read the article it will explain some of the long history of this extremist ideology.

ISIS and Wahhabism are closely linked.

 

Excellent read. Just makes your head spin to try and digest it all. If we didn't have so much oil in that region we never would have entangled ourselves in that mess back in the 1930's. And what truly amazes me is the coincidence of so much oil located in the region of the holy lands where the Bible says Armageddon will take place in the end times. Very interesting.

 

ISIL and Wahhabism is not linked... not at all. The Wahhabis are universally peaceful........

 

The US just wants 'paper' allies. It isn't expecting any contributions worth a damn, and I suspect the generals believe any ally would just be getting in the way. Maybe they can send the Saudis out for hamburgers.

 

In Biblical times people weren't aware that a whole world existed outside of their own small sphere of reference, so it isn't unusual for them to have prophecied events to occur in the same area that they lived in. These were very unsophisticated people, and barely literate for the most part.

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France has just carried out her first air strikes against ISIS. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29277630
Looks like Great Britain will soon join the French.

 

McCain said he would bring on war to deal with ISIS:



JOHN McCAIN Despicably Pushes For FULL-SCALE MIDDLE EAST WAR During ISIS Senate Hearing


"...McCain just doesn’t want to hear any crap about America not having the capability to fight multiple adversaries at once. No way, Jose! In McCain’s worldview, the United States needs to be involved with as many wars as possible..."




On Wednesday afternoon, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was his normal warmongering self as he grilled Secretary of State John Kerry over the Obama Administration’s strategy to deal with ISIS. McCain used his time during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing to beat his chest and demand that the United States not only get into a ground war in Iraq and Syria to combat ISIS, but that the country also needs to commit to a war against the Assad regime in Syria. While House Democrats are legitimately concerned about the White House’s plan to arm and train Syrian rebels to help fight ISIS on the ground, McCain wants the President to push forward and go whole hog with the war machine. Below is the exchange between McCain and Kerry (emphasis mine):


McCain: Secretary, today, September 17th, Secretary Gates said the following, former Secretary of Defense Gates. The reality is they’re not going to be able to be successful against ISIS strictly from the air or strictly depending on the Iraqi forces of the Peshmerga by the Sunni tribes acting on their own, gates said. So there will be boots on the ground if there’s to be any hope of success in the strategy. And I think that by containing — by continuing to repeat that, that the US won’t put boots on the ground, the president in effect traps himself. Now, Mr. Secretary, I’ve talked to so many people who are military experienced, who have been on both sides on this issue. They all agree with secretary gates’ assessment. And that’s just the reality. And there are some of us that place a great deal of confidence in the opinion of people like Secretary Gates, General Keane. So the architects of the surge. So many others.-the architects of the surge. So many others.-the architects of the surge. So many others. The architects of the surge. So many others. Is it your view that the Syrian opposition is viable?
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Kerry: The Syrian opposition has been viable enough to be able to survive under difficult circumstances but they still have some distance to go and we need to help them go that distance.
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McCain: The hero of this piece so far in my view is a guy who’s going to testify after you, Robert Ford, Ambassador Ford. He did a magnificent job at the risk of his own life, riding around Damascus in his support of the Free Syrian army. Here’s what he’s going to say in his testimony. The moderate armed opposition’s biggest enemy is not the Islamic State, it is the Assad regime which has killed far more Syrians than has the detestable Islamic State, and they won’t stop fighting the Assad regime even as they advance against the Islamic State. You’re saying, ISIS first. We’re going to train and equip the Free Syrian army and they’re going to be fighting against Assad who they view as their number one enemy. I agree with Ambassador Ford’s assessment. You’re saying, ISIL first. So if this — so we’re telling the young Syrian today, I want you to join the Free Syrian Army, you’ve got to fight ISIL first, and by the way those barrel bombs that are being dropped on you and these attacks from the air that of Hamas customers of so many Syrians, we’re not going to do anything about that. I think at least we owe the Free Syrian Army, negate the air attacks that they will be subjected to when they finish their training and equipping, and go into the fight. So why is it that we won’t at least news release Bashar al Assad’s air activity which has slaughtered thousands and thousands and thousands, 192,000 dead, 3 million refugees, and we’re not going to do anything about Assad’s air capabilities? And finally, ISIL first, that’s what you’re telling these young men who really view Assad as the one who has slaughtered their family members. Not ISIL. As bad as ISIL is. How do you square that circle action Mr. Secretary?

Kerry: Well, you square it this way, Senator. And first of all, let me just say a word. I think everybody knows — I had the pleasure of working with Robert Ford in the department from the day I arrived there. We worked very closely together, I have huge respect and admiration for him. And he and I worked many long hours with the Syrian opposition. And I respect his opinion, et cetera. He is correct that they won’t stop fighting the Assad regime. I understand that we understand that.

McCain: Not only won’t stop fighting, it’s their primary goal.

Kerry: Well, it is, except…

McCain: I know too many of them, John.

Kerry: I understand. It is. I’m not denying that. But they also are fighting ISIL. They’re up in Aleppo right now fighting ISIL. They’re fighting ISIL in other places. They threw them out of a province. They are engaged in fighting ISIL. And our belief is, I think — I bet you, I hope Robert Ford believes that they believe they actually get stronger as a result of ISIL being removed from the field.

McCain: Are you not going to protect them from air strikes?

Kerry: I think what we need — yes, and I think what we need — that’s a legitimate concern. And it is a concern that I would need to address with you in a classified session for reasons I think you well understand. And I think Robert ford well understands that.

McCain: I think the Free Syrian Army would like to understand, too.

Kerry: If we have a good classified session and another good things happen here, who knows. The important thing is for us to recognize that if ISIL continues doing what it’s doing — I think you know this — without being stopped and if we hadn’t stood up when we did and work with Peshmerga and help them, they were threatening Baghdad and they were threatening more. If they did that…

McCain: We’re talking about Syria. And the Free Syrian Army.

Kerry: I’m about to come back…

McCain: Thank you. I’m running out of time.

Kerry: That pertains to their capacity then to focus on Assad and it might be not the Free Syrian Army but ISIL that you see in Damascus. And ISIL bringing other people to them because of the level of their success. Clearly, many people have told us in the region, success breeds success. And many of the people who have come to ISIL have come because it seemed as if they were weren’t being opposed. We believe that transition works to the benefit of the moderate opposition, works ultimately to all of our benefit by removing ISIL from the field.

McCain: You cannot ask people to go and fight and die unless you promise them that they — you will defeat their enemy and defeat them right away. You can’t say, wait until we defeat ISIL. People will not volunteer for such things.

Kerry: I don’t believe it’s going to be ultimately a wait and see. I don’t believe, number one, that the people supporting the opposition in various parts of the region are ever going to stop until the Assad problem is resolves. Number two, I don’t believe ISIL is going — I don’t believe that the moderate opposition will obviously stop in that effort. So, therefore, there will be these two prongs.

McCain: I hope not ISIL first, if that message is not given to these brave young people.

Kerry: If we don’t stop ISIL first, there may not be much left of the other prong.

McCain: That means we can’t take on two adversaries at once that’s bogus and false.




There you have it. McCain didn’t even try to hide his cards here. He wants the United States to not only send American troops to Iraq to fight ISIS. He also wants this country to get involved in a massive civil war in Syria that is being fought on several fronts. McCain just doesn’t want to hear any crap about America not having the capability to fight multiple adversaries at once. No way, Jose! In McCain’s worldview, the United States needs to be involved with as many wars as possible.




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http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09...cale-middle-east-war-isis-senate-hearing.html

 

Whether or not there is a connection to Revelations or other prophetic works such as Nostadamas or Casey is hard to say.

"The Beast" is the Oligopoly/ Publically traded bohemoths, that is for sure. You have retired Generals in the mass media pushing for war but what the network does not disclose is that they are stumping for defense contractors and war is good for business.

 

If you wish a more correct rephrasing ISIS and Wahhabist ideology are closely linked.

From my previous article: You know ... the one you did not address.

Wahhabism, while not necessarily violent, is an very intolerant form of Religious belief .... Period.

One of the thing that characterizes ISIS is a teaching base on intolerance.

Like any religions, some groups take things to the extreme. Many Wahhabists want nothing to do with ISIS and despise them ... as many Catholics despise actions committed during the middle ages.

Here is the problem though. It is Catholic ideology that fueled the evils of the middle ages ... just as it is extremist Islamic ideology (such as Wahhabism) that fuels the evils of ISIS.

Most Catholics today are peace loving people but this does not change the fact that at the core of the belief system they espouse are some very dangerous ideas. All that is needed is a proper vessel for these dangerous ideas to incubate and witch burnings are not far behind.

These dangerous ideas are as follows:

1) The idea that if you do not believe that "Allah or Jesus" is God you will rot in hell for eternity. Intrinsic in this belief is the prohibition of questioning the core tenets of dogma written in some holy book. If you question "the book" you will tortured for eternity.

2) Some religious leader then purports to be an interpreter of "the book". Since the book can not be questioned the prognostications of this human can not be questioned. Next thing you know you have a human or human institution speaking for God .. any who do not follow will be roasted in hell for eternity.

The next dangerous idea combined with the aforementioned is the idea that this is some kind of apocalyptic battle of good verses evil. Those that conform to cult doctrine are "good" those that question or disagree or who do not conform are evil.

This idea is then used to justify killing people that do not conform to cult doctrine standards. These people are demonized as "evil", under the influence of Satan, in league with the devil, against Allah ... and so on.

That it is "ok" to persecute, torment, imprison, fine, or kill those who do not conform to some religious doctrine is a dangerous form of intolerance which supports the "US" vs "Them" Good vs Evil, God vs Satan ideology.

Wahhabism by promoting "strict Sharia" along with other religious promotes a dangerous ideology. The most dangerous ideas within this ideology, as described above, form the basis of the ISIS ideology.

 

What you'll usually find is that when the pundits don't know they just say "Saudi Arabia or Wahhabi".

I lived among the Wahhabi for two decades.. They have NOTHING in common with ISIS.

And, a lot of militants in both the US and abroad call themselves Wahhabi and they are NOT.. but, its an exotic word that has only come to the Western consciousness in the past 15 years so they use it without knowing what its about... Sort of like the words Shaheed or Jihad..

Even Alstaire Cooke gets it wrong.. His understanding of Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism is shallow at best... and that surprises me because I have known lots of CIA who did live and work in KSA over the decades since 1950.