SU-35 vs F-22 RAPTOR Fighters Battle

They can have but they don't want to do that.
For the most cases AT-6 Texan II or air tractor or newest Scorpion is enough in terms of the irregular warfare.
A-10 is used since it's cheap in terms of the flying hour cost and there are a lot of other A-10 that can be used as a donors to supply with spares. As soon as spares are done - A-10 is done. And that is the reality.
A-10 is not a best - it's just useful currently.

 

The "T" stands for trainer and they don't function as ground attack jets

 

Sunday, September 27, '15
Smithsonian Channel
Air Warriors
"A-10 Warthog"

http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/air-warriors/a-10-warthog/1003487/3418202

The A-10 Thunderbolt II was made for durability and power. With seeming indestructibility, it can eliminate armored vehicles, tanks, and even buildings with remarkable accuracy, all the while protecting American troops on the ground. Over the decades, it has repeatedly proved its worth, not only on the battlefield but in the eyes of its toughest critic: the U.S. Air Force. Discover the story of the ugly duckling affectionately named "Warthog," and see how this clunky but robust fighter continually out-flies and out-guns its competitors.

Let's tune in.
It seems the A-10's toughest enemy if the Dept of Defense.

I am not an airplane design engineer nor do I play one on TV
but, there are times y'gotta admit, someone got something correct.
How old is the DC-3 and isn't it still a great platform for what it does?
The same for the A-10 Warthog.
The A-10 Warthog is the best design for the close ground and troop protection support it was designed.
And no higher flying Raptor can do it better. Can it.
And an A-10 sortie can always be given fighter escort should it be an inferior fighter like the Raptor.

One platform fits all is a disaster for a focused mission. Such as ground support
Didn't we learn that in the McNamara years?


Moi


r > g
Who could bomb a bank better,
An A-10 or a Raptor.

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I totally absolutely unreservedly agree.

 

Yacc I disagree with much of what you say but I enjoy very much your opinions although you know I am on the other side of the Berlin war comrade.

That said hey you criticizing the Phantom-really? Now you peeked my attention. You actually want to suggest the Migs of its era could handle an F-4. Lol come on. I saw what happened in the Middle East. I am no fan of the old MIG's. Bunch of junk. The Foxbat is a counterfeit F-14 and don't tell me otherwise lol.

Look I am saying it, if your pilots were not as good as they were, the junk they had to fly would have killed them all long ago. The eyes and coordination of your pilots not their jets are what make your jets seem better then they are. At least that is my opinion. Don't tell me your comrades would not prefer a Raptor. Save the borscht comrade. I hate cold soup. Gotta be hot and thick. You have to do a lot better to show me what is better than a Raptor right now.

As for the F-35 I think trying to be too many things has compromised it and made it bad at all of them. I also think its visibility is a disaster and I hate its helmet. You are talking to someone though who thinks the Kfir jet was an ideal jet and was shut down because of political reasons.

I also like Swedish air fighters. I told you my bias. To this day I do not see anything come close to the F14. The F16 is a good fighter but F14's were the best of their day just as the Phantom was in its day although the Kfir could have handled it. I am a fan of the Tornado but not Mirage series,

As for the A-10 it was ugly but good and I think it could be excellent anti-terrorist weapon in desert warfare not just a tank buster.

But hey what do I know. It does not have anyone interested in upgrading it.

I also think helicopters do desert and anti terror missions far better then trying to use an F35 or any jet fighter low down. Nonsense.

 

it can be converted into attack plane. Look at Super Tucano.

 

They are very different planes.
Foxhound is more similar to F-14 in some aspects. But just in some aspects.

 

Your translation was incorrect.

 

That would be for US Consevative to determine. And you look foolish asking for a translation, and then proclaiming the translation is incorrect. Would be like asking for a translation of a language you don't know, and then when given a translation you declare its wrong. How would you know? You don't speak the language.

 

The fact that without the A10, we would need to convert trainer planes to ground attack aircraft to replace them, seems to support my point that we would instead need to use f35. And since your criticism of the A10 is based upon the A10 reports from Desert Storm

demonstrates, that a converted trainer wouldn't be sufficient. Had the generals a10s been instead Texans, those 14 damaged from ground fire sitting on the tarmac for repairs would have been added to the 2 others he had lost. And since the Texan has only a prop to rely upon for speed and thrust, there likely would have been twice as many aircraft hit by ground fire.

 

The Warthog isn't going anywhere soon...it is also supplemented by some extremely well designed and capable helicopters. As it is most manned ground combat is heading the way of the DoDo, Shortly is will be taken care of through advanced drones and precision bombardment.

 

USAF would use F-35 in 10 years may be. It has not achieved FOC yet. But for the irregualar warfare both A-10 and F-35 are not requied - LAAR is enough.

Texan will not be suited with GAU-8 to dive deep to the very low altitude. A-10 is not a fast plane.

 

A Texan is not a fast plane and doesn't have the thrust of the A-10. The shortcomings of the A10 according to the general, would be amplified in the Texan.

 

A-10 / EMB 314 Super Tucano

cruise speed: 555 km/h / 520 km/h
maximum Rate of Climb : 30.5 m/s / 24 m/s

That is enough.

If you have fast speed - you will reduce loiter time and fail to hit a target. Fast speed is bad for CAS when visual aiming is used.

I'm not talking about Texan exactly but Texan like airplanes. They are better suited for the irregular warfare.

 

List one statement I made besides the MiG-25 being constructed for defense against the B-80 or B-1B issue as we never built the B-80 Valkyrie beyond the test aircraft that you have proven to be wrong as far as the MiG-25 being a fast but very poor maneuvering rusting steel bodied piece of junk with no purpose and no mission?

The MiG-25 is not an aircraft any pilot want's to be flying up against an F-14, F-15, F-16 or F-18 as the ONLY thing a MiG-25 is good for is FLYING AWAY SCARED FROM THOSE AMERICAN AIRCRAFT!!!

As far as the F-15SE that aircraft's capability is HIGHLY CLASSIFIED and the ONLY thing I have heard about the F-15SE is that it has a composite radar absorbing skin and that it's tail fin's were redesigned to point at a approx. 30 degree inward angle toward each other to reduce the F-15SE's radar return.

The F-15SE will be a completely redesigned version of the F-15C and F-15E series and will also have supercruise and engine exhaust cooling as well as the highly classified IR-Light Electromagnetic Radiation Cloak and Scrambler which exists as part of the F-22's which were the very first aircraft in History to use a combination of engine thrust vectoring, engine exhaust cooling, supercruise capability and an IR-Light Cloak.

If the F-15SE comes out and is placed in full production it will be an extremely deadly aircraft with untold capabilities as the F-15SE is a product of the 2010's era design as the F-22 is a product of the late 1980's and early 1990's designs.

Neither an Su-35s or a Superhornet is capable of even getting a weapons lock on an F-22 Raptor never mind the absurd assertion that they could shoot down an F-22 operating in full stealth mode.

AboveAlpha

 

Not according to the Generals assessment you presented as evidence of the A10s shortcomings. The reason it was susceptible to ground fire.

 

How many A-10 were damaged in Afghanistan due to ground fire? - ZERO.
And A-10 is a slow plane for the fast response.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/05/a-10-john-mccain-iraq-afghanistan/22931683/
"If time is an issue and you need to get there quickly, then the A-10 is not the preferred platform."

 

You forgot to add "in dogfight"

There are no evidences of test sorties between F-22 and Super Hornet.
US prefers to use planes with old plane array antenna radar ( early Typhoon or F-15C ) to be competitor to F-22

 

Obama canceled the production line for the F-22. Only 187 will be built. That's not enough to make a difference in a major war.

 

The USAF has a number of Testing or "PROVING GROUNDS"....where Experimental and New USAF and USN. Aircraft are tested and flown up against not only U.S. Military aircraft but as well are flown and tested in mock combat against European, Russian and Chinese Aircraft.

Such Testing or Proving Grounds are located in New Mexico, Utah and Nevada and I am sure you and every other member on this forum is aware of the Groom Lake Facility better known as AREA 51.

It is not only well known but it has even been Digitally Video Recorded showing experimental U.S. Military Aircraft flying up against other U.S. and European Aircraft as well as Video of MiG-29's flying in the skies over Area 51.

No...there is no PUBLIC RECORD or any details that can be gathered about an F-22 flying up against Superhornets, MiG-29's and Su-30's.....however there is now Public Information detailing how a Brace or Two F-22 Raptors achieving shoot downs of up to 10 F-15's and 12 Eurofighters.

The reality is that there does not currently exist any Piloted Fighter Aircraft in the World capable of even getting a MISSILE LOCK on an F-22 Raptor never mind being capable of shooting it down.

When German Typhoon Eurofighters were able to achieve a SHOOT DOWN of an F-22 in Mock Battle it was only because the F-22 Raptors were placed in a Handicapped State as the F-22's went into such a Mock Battle allowing the Typhoons to achieve a Missile Lock as an open channel radio emission on the F-22 allowed the Typhoons to achieve an Air to Air Missile Lock.

Without the F-22 Raptor Pilots broadcasting this radio signal the German Typhoons would be completely incapable of achieving a Missile Lock and would have to only resort to using Guns or Cannons.

Also the German Typhoon's were allowed to begin their attacks in VISUAL RANGE as the F-22 Raptor Pilots were not allowed to launch BVR Missiles and were only allowed the use of Sidewinder Heat Seekers as well as it's Cannon.

When the F-22's were operated in Full Stealth Mode...even when the F-22's flew into visual range the Typhoons could not achieve a Missile Lock.

The same thing happened to the F-15's against the F-22 and the same thing would happen to an Su-35s.

The ONLY chance a Pilot has against an F-22 is by some chance be able to get the F-22 in visual range and shoot it down with guns or cannon.

Because they are NOT going to be able to get a missile lock.

AboveAlpha

 

You are preaching to the choir. YOU were the one who presented the Generals assessment as evidence of the A10s shortcomings. The General who attributed it to a lack of speed and thrust, and then you turned around and suggested they could replace this jet with a trainer prop plane, converted to an attack aircraft

 

For slow speed missions prop can replace A-10 for irregular warfare.
For high speed - F-16 is already proved its capability.

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There were no sorties between Super Hornet and F-22. Other yellow press is not interesting.

 

And then your criticisms of the shortcomings of the A10, will be multiplied many times over with the prop plane. Except the prop planes wont make it back for repairs.

 

Are you talking about irregular warfare or real war? And I can remind you of A-1 Skyraide - it was prop plane with piston engine.

 

I am not aware of any Proving Ground mock air battles between F-22's and Superhornets either but neither of us will know for certain.

I personally LOVE the A-10 as it has saved my A$$ several times.

There is no better sound in the world that a guy on the ground either LOVES or if the enemy absolutely HATES to hear than the BBBRRRRRUUUUUUUUPPPP! of the A-10's main gun.

It is an absolute terror to enemy tank commanders and everyone remembers what a few A-10 Pilots did to an entire Highway loaded with Iraqi Military Forces leaving Kuwait with stolen cars loaded with stolen goods as that road is now known as the HIGHWAY OF DEATH.

It really irks me when I hear high ranking USAF personal disparage the A-10. The A-10 has been called by any enemy forces that have been unfortunate enough to have to have gone up against it as one of the two U.S. Military Weapons System that terrified them the most....the A-10 and heavy USAF Bombers dropping Cluster Munitions...which were called STEEL RAIN.

AboveAlpha