PM quits after UK votes to leave EU in historic Brexit referendum >>>MOD WARNING<<<

That would be to assume that all the reasons that people voted to leave were rational. Many were, but many were not. Besides, the main reason that there was a referendum in the first place (the UK rarely holds them), is because David Cameron wanted to stamp out the power of the Eurosceptics in his party for good. It is now being seen, by many, as one the most ridiculous political gambles in British political history since Chamberlain went to Munich to meet with a little German with a funny moustache.

 

What you say is what I fear. Except for the bit where Ireland benefits, of course!

I am trying to remain optimistic. I am not judging anything just yet. The first indication of how bad this could get is when we see if Leave camp have any actual plan for what to do now that their dreams have come true. I don't remember if I posted this on the thread before, but here is one indicator that doesn't look good:

[video=youtube;kP1USSOn9rA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP1USSOn9rA[/video]

This was literally half an hour after the vote was confirmed on Friday morning.

Boris built his journalistic career on lies and made up quotes when he worked with the Times at the EU Parliament. These are the guys that Britain listened to to vote Leave.

Disclaimer: I just spotted that I posted the same video minutes ago. Time for bed!!

 

Brexit is the worst nightmare come true for green groups which had been counting on the bureaucratic authoritarianism of the European Union to bind democratically elected politicians to strong green policies.

 

My "I believe"was really more of an admission that I am running on low info.

But, it seems possible that the independence movement in Scotland will have a stronger argument next time around as their concern about external government will have more of a focus and joining the EU will be no less attractive than now, when they voted against Brexit.

 

So only links from the anti-Putin, anti-Russia western press acolytes who've been conditioned by their respective governments just like we have (or you have? )? I'm surprised you didn't submit one from the BBC - it's more rabidly anti Russia than any of the popular press.

 

I was referring to illegals. Those who have become nationalised can be refused entry on the grounds that they might not travel on but decide to stay in southern Ireland, and you'll end up with some jihadists of your very own amongst your population? This is what jihadists do - they infiltrate and set up shop anywhere they can get a foothold. Fancy a few mosques in Dublin?

 

Brexit breaks the established world order ,that's why it is revolutionary. The irony of history is that revolutions are often prepared by people who do no want any revolutions.Prime Minister David Cameron said that Brexit will please Putin and the Islamic State. As for Putin's role in everything terrible that comes to West - actually,it is paranoia,but like any paranoia it has some basis in reality.They see Putin's hand in Trump's success,in mass demonstrations of the lower class in France, in the crisis of refugees and so on. The irony of history here is in the fact that extreme reactionary and conservative Putin objectively becomes a main international revolutionary and a trusher of the existing order.Putin's Russia appeals to the old reactionary Christian values but people does not listen words,they see that talks the one who is not allowed to talk after Crimea.The Festival of Disobedience is starting,everything is in motion and the elite can no longer control the situation.

The jolly time is coming. I like it.

 

You believe he has links with the BNP. He has been on this site since I first arrived many years ago. At that time the European section was filled with BNP supporters. The BNP was having some success. I can tell you he was not one of them. He is to the right and maybe a bit eccentric but I have not seen him posting in a racist way as many do. Because holocaust denial is illegal in much of Europe, many people are curious as to why and decide to investigate on the net. The deniers write very convincingly and given that most people begin with very little knowledge they can be fooled, especially if they are taking a bit from here a bit from there and adding up 2 and 2 to make 45. I don't believe that one size fits all and I have not in all the years I have been coming here seen said poster being racist. I do acknowledge that most holocaust deniers are antisemites but there are always exceptions. I have also been surprised at the number of people who have exposed themselves on this site in recent weeks as being antisemities and/or white nationalists which is pretty sickening. However in the many years which I have been coming to this site, I have never seen this poster posting in this manner. His holocaust denial which appears to be total seems to be a new thing. That may change him but a BNP supporter he has never been. Now we are not allowed to discuss posters on this forum so lets leave it at that.

 

I don't think the Scots will want the Euro. And I wonder if they can afford to pay the contributions anyway?

 

Like you say based in reality. It is well known that Dugin's geopolitical plan for Europe is one which Russia is interested in and that Russia is supporting the far right in Europe both by making them better known through appearances on RT and meetings in Russia and also through financial backing. At the heart of this is the disintegration of the EU and European countries aligning with Russia rather than the US and the Eurasian Union replacing the EU as well as returning to 'tradition values'. Russia and her values are supported by the far right of Europe. Even on the seeming big difference, ethnic nationalism, Russia believes that those of different ethnicities are subservient to ethnic Russians so although there are minor differences between Russia's attitude and the European Far Right they are minor. Russia is not responsible for the Brexit result. It would be crazy to suggest it was but Cameron is certainly right that Russia will be pleased just like Le Penn and the rest of the far right of Europe.

Regarding ISIS. There has been suggestions that leaving the EU will cause difficulties with exchange of intelligence and the ability to quickly catch wanted criminals/terrorists. One of our wanted terrorists moved to another European country. Because of the EU he was able to be captured just like he would have had he been in the UK. With Britain leaving the EU this may not remain the case. In addition the European Far Right want Muslims out of Europe as does ISIS so although not being a Cameron supporter I think he is right that Brexit will have pleased both Russia and ISIS.

 

Obviously the SNP is keeping a close eye on things to find out when it looks right to call Indy2

Poll in the Herald.

Leave the UK 79%
Stay in the UK 18%
Don't know 3%

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14578842.Vote_in_the_Sunday_Herald_s_IndyRef2_poll/?ref=mr&lp=2

 

Food Prices to go up

 

And the sky continues to come down.

 

I am hoarding baked beans. Just in case.

 

With the number of people already on food banks in this country, fine for you.

 

Smart move to lock in an off the grid gas supply

 

Did this increase in food banks occur while the UK was a member of the EU? If the EU is such a good deal, why food banks?

Discovered a link which suggests it's a recent thing. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/short-history-food-banks-modern-phenomenon-1445071

 

I hear there is a petition for IndyRef2 that is close to 2M voter signatures.

Cameron has put on the brakes by blocking the start of Brexit until after he's out in October and then a new government is formed.

I wonder if that isn't a move to allow the nation to come to its senses.

 

A good note for Britain here. I read on a Greek site that the shipowners are all thrilled with Brexit and are planning to throw a lot of investments their way. If others feel the same, then Britain has nothing to worry about.

Here's a response from someone by the name of Jathan Smyth as to why he voted to leave the EU. It's a translation from English to Greek, and then back again so bear with it.

I'm 29 with an IQ over 145. I've never voted for any political party. I'm not religious and I love every person on the planet outside the prison cell.

Right after the vote I turned 30, my IQ plummeted, and I was a nationalist, fundamentalist Christian and racist xenophobe... according to some who voted to stay.

I did not vote because I believe in one side or the other.

I did not vote because I hate David Cameron or because I want to see Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage or anyone else to become prime minister.

I did not vote because I want to chase away the amazing and hardworking immigrants from this country.

I did not vote for us to tell the rest of the world and in Europe "to go to ...."

I voted because I believe that each person should have the right to an elected, responsible and accountable representation for their country.

I voted for the hope that Europe and Britain can with what remained of their national identities and specifications to work together as large autonomous nations, rather than a homogenized similar group of people whose only difference between them is who has money and who will beg for crumbs from their unelected, wallpaper guys, hypocrite dictators who make the shots in the European Union ".​

 

the UK will suffer for years before they see any possible economic benefits from this

 

This diatribe seems a little confused.

The citizens of the nations of the EU vote for their representation in the European Parliament.

The heads of state of the member states are elected as well, and these form the European Council.

Other parts of EU governance take action subject to the Parliament.


My bet is that this vote to leave was far more based on visceral feelings rather than real analysis.

 

There is a petition for another Brexit Referendum. It has going on 2,400,000 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

This goes to Parliament for debate but it is not going to lead to another Brexit Referendum despite Brexit having clearly caused an angry division among the English as was seen in the 'Question Time' we had tonight. There are migrants in Britain who are now apparently terrified. The emotion in Dianne Abbot I have never seen before. I think it is going to be very difficult for a country which always considered itself a tolerant country to move forward from the ethnic nationalism which was aroused in this referendum.

Now Indyref 2 is a completely different thing. This is about Scottish Independence. Scotland voted remain. Apart from that a lot of people who voted to remain in the UK in the first Indyref did so because they had been told it was the only way they could guarantee staying in the EU. Scottish Internationalists who voted to remain in the UK purely because they are Internationalists have been saying they could not do that in a further Independence Referendum having seen the racism which is going on in England. They say they never believed England would vote to leave the EU and can no longer hide from the reality that the differences between England and Scotland have become insurmountable and so they will be supporting Independence in the future. Scotland is working to stay in the EU one way or another despite the UK vote. " Dragging Scotland out of the EU against her will" is how the current situation is termed by the SNP, something they say they cannot allow.

 

This seems absolutely guaranteed.

The split will take years during which their economy will reside under a cloud of uncertainty - which is bad news for the business world. Plus, the EU can't make leaving be more profitable than staying, as that would risk the existence of the EU.

Beyond that, the question of independence for Scotland and Ireland now includes the fact that remaining with UK means not being in the EU. Since they voted to remain in the EU and could join the EU if separate from the UK, one would have to see this as one more reason for independence - shrinking the UK to England and Wales.

 

indeed, Brexit may in fact finally kill the United Kingdom.

 

The Prime Minister did NOT quit. He announced that he is NOT quitting, but rather will leave in October.