Would YOU let the 50 Orlando gays into heaven?

I was going to make a joke comment on this, but out of respect. I decline.

 

You have lack of understanding. It's not that they don't think like we do, it's that they do not know Jesus. Jesus tells us, no man shall enter the kingdom unless he knows them and they know him. Upon judgment He will say, I never knew you: Depart from me. It also does not matter the sin. What matters is if you acknowledge the sin, ask forgiveness for the sin, and the strength to turn away from the sin. One cannot simply ask for forgiveness and immediately turn back to the sin. However there is two things a person can do to cover a multitude of sins. And that is to have somebody that strayed from Jesus, turn back to Jesus. If you can get one person to believe in Jesus, you will have covered a multitude of sins. It is the most important thing a person can do, along with "charity".

It's hard to enter the Kingdom, and yet it's not- Jesus must know you, thus you must know him (Like a loved one)

KJB- Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

To Cover a multitude of sin-

KJB-James 5:20
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

1Pe 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

 

If they excepted Jesus as their savior before they died then they will go to heaven. Simple as that. It's a free gift that YOU, OP, refuse to accept and spit it back in his face.

 

Good point. Like the Republicans follow Ayn Rand. The basis of the Satanic Bible. I personally think Paul Ryan is still immoral. He says he disavows Ayn Rands immoral writings, but I am not so sure I believe him.

 

Yes, Ryan is still a strong proponent of "trickle down" economics - the idea that the best thing to do to help out struggling American families is to hose down the ultra rich with money.

 

God can't let them all in, otherwise it wouldn't be heaven. There's a lot of evil out there. Hopefully everyone can renounce that evil, but it's all going to have to get fleshed out one way or the other.

 

Well, let's say that between that acceptance of Jesus and the actual death that person rejects God in some way.

In such a case I would contend that Christianity can point to no Biblical claim that the person will go to heaven. That is, I don't believe that a fully honest acceptance binds Jesus to accepting a person regardless of what they do, say, or believe from that moment forward forever.

For example, if a Christian converts to a Pagan sect, does God just ignore that? I don't know why anyone should believe that such a religious conversion would have no meaning to God.


So, there is this issue of what it is that constitutes rejection of Jesus.

Is living a wonton life of devoted debauchery count as rejection of Jesus?

 

I never'd claimed once saved always saved but you do have a point. If you reject Jesus after you're saved and die in that condition then you won't go to heaven. However we must first define what is rejecting Jesus.

 

Yes - I'm not being critical nor do I mean to be derogatory. It's just a question that I haven't heard answered well.

 

Im sure god will send them all to hell as Homosexuality is a grave sin punishable by death. Abominations they are called. The church at one time used to follow the bible and burned them. Isn't that why we call them flamers? Or faggs?

 

Ok then.

 

So I assume by your answer that you can't quite summon the moral courage quite yet so answer "yes" - that you'd let the 50 dead gay club patrons into "heaven". I'd like to request that you love people more than you currently do, so that you can answer "yes" to his question someday. Something to think about, my friend.
Have a great day.

 

God allegedly created science, so how can I believe in a story that is incredibly UNscientific (talking donkeys, talking snakes, 6000 year old earth, a talking invisible dead guy, a man living inside a fish for 3 days, etc., etc.) without going against god's science?

 

Now you're derailing. Nowhere in this post or in this thread as best as I can recall did I said anything about how the Bible is science. But to answer you're question, excluding the 6,000 year old earth since its still up to debate and living in a fish for three days since its possible with whale sharks and basking sharks since they don't digest things right away, everything else you said is the exception of the rule. And really, its not even that when you dive into the quantum science. God is supernatural not unnatural. He's above his creation not opposed to it. It like a computer. You are supernatural to the computer.

 

Nice BS deflection... It's all about respect and dignity for the victims my friend!

 

Would I let the Orlando victims into Heaven after they got shot at a gay bar?

You bet I would. They're people and I don't know what their relationship was with their Creator. It would be up to God as to whether or not they were allowed to stay, but yeah, I'd let them in if I was the gatekeeper.

 

So which one of the twelve gates of the twelve tribes of Israel would you let them in? I doubt if the Israelites would tolerate the Orlando victims in their golden cube.

 

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So, a Muslim shoots up a gay bar, and you use it as yet another excuse to bash...Christians? Why is it that an atheist should be so fixated on hating a specific religion? Why not a thread bashing Muhammed instead of Jesus? Makes me think you're not so much "atheist" as "anti-Christian".

 

They only get to heaven if they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior. Stupid, prejudicial, bigoted, and just plain irrational but heck it is Christianity in the full flower of religious nonsense..

And whether I Would let them in depends if it is Mark Twains heaven or the Christian heaven since I would like them to be happy and I doubt gays would be happy in the Christian heaven.

 

According to the biblical fairy tale no one goes to heaven. Some members of the twelve tribes of Israel might end up in a giant golden cube on a waterless planet that has no night where they pal around with the God character forever but that's about it.

 

How so? It's a free and simple gift that he offers to everybody. Why would you refuse?

 

You must got the wrong bible or something. What you're talking about is the millennial kingdom. Those who accept Christ will go to heaven but the thousand year reign is for those beheaded for Christ as a special reward.

 

There is no god. But the manmade god of the Jews, Muslims and Christians said to kill homosexuals in the bible and Koran. Apparently god does like 2 butt fudging males. It is only humans that can turn around 'kill the homosexuals' into making homosexuals bishops in the church as the Episcopal church did. Since religion is all fantasy humans can do as they like. That is why they can have homo marriage. Just say what marriage is or is not and two butt fudging males can suddenly be husband and wife.

 

I have told u many times here that Gays "out" means patriarchs like Islam or China will start killing us all
Why should they get into Heaven when they intentionally hurt other people by promoting more sexual immorality?