What the Wall is really about

Yea, so knock it off and discuss the subject of the wall and building it (or not) and quit derailing the thread with your ridiculous tirades.

 

What a bunch of freakn garbage.

The problem has always been illegals can get into America, and once here you have to use the courts to boot them out.

The wall saves America money, because the illegals cant get in the country, so you need less legal expenses

 

The wall can be defeated by a ten dollar ladder. LOL

 

Not if its built right.

 

Yes it can.

 

I agree with you about prisons. We've decided not to rehabilitate, due to costs. We hand people over to "for profit" prisons that use them as slave labor.

You misunderstand me on immigration. I'm not for deporting non-criminal labor. I'm for a pathway to citizenship for many of them, or a pathway to legal status, if citizenship isn't politically viable. I'm for Citizenship for DREAMERs, politically viable or not. Kids that grow up in America, in American schools, speaking English, and acclimated to our culture are out of place anywhere else, including their birth country. My point is that politicians only want to talk about the "problem" of immigration. They don't want to do anything about it. It's a political ploy to influence "hard working Americans ag'in them illegals robbing you of your job" to vote for someone that's going to solve that problem. If the politicians hadn't brought it up, most Americans wouldn't think we had a problem.

We have ways to limit immigration and we don't use them. That says we don't want to actually do anything about it. We're not going to jail employers. That wouldn't incentivize them anyway. Hit them in the wallet and you will, but we still aren't going to do that. I've been consistent in this thread. Our politicians need controversy to give them a reason to act, to do something. Immigration is sold to the people as being a problem of economics, and it certainly is, but they aren't about to "fix" it, not with a wall, not with a fence, not with deportation, not with economic punishment for employers. They aren't going to do anything more than hash it around in Congress.

 

not if its 30 ft high.

 

They don't make 31 foot ladders? Are you kidding?

 

Then why do we bother building walls (or fences) around prisons?

Or around the White House?

The fact that an obstacle can be "defeated" in no way invalidates its purpose or the effect it has.

Walls or fences along borders serve to "funnel" potential trespassers into certain areas where patrols can scoop them up far, far easier.

In short the wall or fence serves to allow the concentration of law enforcement and security manpower and make it much more cost effective.

 

Do you understand that those are very small areas that have every inch of it under patrol? Do you think these people crossing into our country are stupid?

 

To stop immigration in South border is Trump's idea just are good stuff.

 

Did it fail like every liberal policy? Like that bad?? Lmao

 

Here is the divide between the way you think and the way I think.

First off, do we have an immigration problem?

The answer is yes. The next question is whether or not this is an economic problem. That answer is a resounding NO as it relates to the people who come from south of our border. So, what, exactly IS the immigration problem?

The problem is that those who obsess over the immigration issue only see citizenship as a way to reduce the issue. But, when you force all those people to become citizens, they will ultimately outnumber you and then vote you out of power. People need to be able to come here, work and participate in the free market without having to become citizens.

The way we balance out the millions who come here is NOT by penalizing employers nor forcing them to hire people. We do it by addressing our own culture. Why aren't our people working?

You bring up the prison system and the right wants everyone to go through a pee test, blood test, give a hair sample, credit background check, MVR check, criminal background check, provide a birth certificate, SSN, National Identity Card, undergo E-Verify, etc.. etc.

So, some guy did some time in prison. He can't pass those background checks and those background checks are in violation of his Fourth Amendment Rights. Many employers, especially in dealing with white collar employees, disqualify a lot of Americans and then ask for waivers - or whatever else is necessary to get cheaper foreign workers on their payroll.

The big bucks jobs are being taken over by foreigners and the anti-immigrant lobby, unable to answer my questions, worry about the wrong things. What makes American workers less desirable? Is it because we lead the world in the number of people in jail and prison AND they cannot pass background checks? Is it our fascination with sticking pills down our mouths and needles in our arms - and making light of it in our entertainment (like movies and tv series?) Is it because we push too much regulation, tax, and silly laws on the people? Is it because we have created a dependent class of Americans that realize Uncle Scam will give them their daily bread?

I'd say it's a combination. AND, as long as we maintain that kind of culture, people will come here to fill a void. The undocumented foreigners aren't "stealing" jobs; they are taking jobs that Americans won't work for a host of reasons AND the foreigners are taking jobs from those the right locked out of the job market with endless background checks and their support of the 16th Amendment - which is a plank from the Communist Manifesto.

 

Or if there is barb wire and/or electric shock.

 

the wall is a metaphor for love

 

In a very strict, kind of lawyerly kind of way you provide a pretext, not necessarily a reason for wals, fences, etc.

I've already pointed out how our history has shaped our destiny. So, I won't belabor that point. What I will tell you is that:

The people coming here, for the most part, are coming here to engage in the free market. In many instances they have been here many years, working and paying taxes. They abide by the law and are excellent neighbors without demanding to become citizens. They had NO criminal intent in coming here which is much unlike your examples wherein people come here to do us harm.

The drug smugglers come here and that is related to supply and demand. There is enough material on this thread so that if you read it, I shouldn't have to repeat what I've already said.

Unfortunately your examples don't fit the facts of this case.

 

A man beats his wife telling her he loves her to death.

 

A 30 foot wall beaten by some Mexicans and a ladder. You're hilarious

 

What a ridiculously stupid response

 

You're going to have to prove your trillion dollar claim or you're going to have apologize and shut the **** up.


And I really can't get over the loony tunes ideas you leftists have of willie-e-coyote Mexicans defeating the wall with ladders and shovels and now chordless drills from the home depots they stand in front of.

Hilarious.

 

I don't think that's a fair accusation. After all, legal immigration would have to be stopped or severely restricted to prevent non-white people from entering and remaining in this country, and frankly, that's just a childish accusation to lob at white Americans. It's no less bigoted a thing for you to say than what we hear on a daily basis about Muslims.

 

I accept you have no reply. Your wall is defeated by a ten dollar ladder. LOL

 

Walls can not be breached with a ladder? LOL

 

Conservative policy. There....I fixed it for you

 

Haha ok, explain how they defeat it with a 10$ 30 foot ladder.