Peace in the Middle East for All Time

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    surprise surprise, a dem was wrong again...they always tend to look for scape goats for their failures to lead.....
     
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    Those who worked on this deal in the US have pointed out that the lever was military and economic benefit.

    This deal came from the Kushner attempt to buy off Palestinians.

    It was found that Palestinians were not ready to take money while giving up all representation and property rights. As if THAT wasn't already known!

    However, other countries WERE willing to ignore Israel's ongoing humanitarian atrocity in favor of US arms, increased military latitude, and significant economic gain.

    This matches pretty well with a plan to backfill our departure with a greater reliance on regional military action instead of making ANY effort toward resolving the issues that cause war.

    Kerry probably thought the US would be interested in the issues that cause war - human rights, representation, security in property ownership, etc. After all, those are ideas the US is founded on. It inncludes the reasons WE went to war. And, I don't believe our founders were wrong.
     
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    This is funny because members of the Trump Haters Guild, when he won, swore up and down that he'd start wars.

    Yeah yeah...I know there was never "a war" between Bahrain & the UAE and Israel, but COME ON PEOPLE! 2 Arab nations have opened up full, official diplomatic and economic ties with Israel!!

    This actually hurts Iran something awful, because it means Iran will slowly become more and more isolated by other Muslim nations. As such, Iran will soon have to make a choice: Join the rest of the world in peace or be ignored and suffer more economic and political isolation.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enlighten me. Please.
     
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    Define coup seriously give me the definition.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    See my post above where I posted the video of him making that argument and the egg he now has all over his face. I wonder what his response will be when he is asked about it IF the MSM will ask him about it. And let's hope Trump will throw it in Biden's face in the debates.
     
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    Did iran traded with uae lmfao.
     
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    Kerry has been wrong about foreign policy his entire career just as has been Biden. Maybe you could send him some towels to wipe the egg off face.
     
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    How was he wrong you are WRONG

    Read it again it says arab stateS. meaning all of them we are far from that.
     
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    Dupe
     
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    The issue with Iran isn't Bahrain.

    It's Russia, China and the size of the consortium of meaningful trading partners, such as the group who signed the deal that Trump trashed.

    Trashing that deal was a LOSS. It freed Iran of obligations to significant powers. It drove a wedge through the western approach of demanding Iranian compliance.

    While it's always cool for nations to agree on stuff, there is no possible way to present this latest deal as a replacement, let alone an improvement.

    It commits Iran to nothing. It does not create greater unity among the economic powers - the ones that can actually make a difference. It makes Iran's need for nuclear weapons even more of an absolute requirement as military deterrence.
     
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    He didn't say all at once and he said a peace between Israel and the Palestinians before any Arab state. He was dead wrong and has egg on his face once again. He was a bad SecState and this only confirms why.
     
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    Because these two states are Arab states...
     
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    Kerry expected more of US leadership.

    Trump chose to demonstrate that deals involving the US carry ZERO weight - that our word is worth NOTHING, even to our strongest allies.

    There isn't ANY other president who has cared so little for our principles, our word, our influence in the world.

    NO American could possibly have guessed Trump would do this kind of damage to the USA.
     
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    How about, unelected government employees misusing their power to deny civil rights to political opponents? It's what Banana Republics do.
     
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    I'll take four more years of that 'damage', please. The only thing Trump is damaging is your party.
     
  18. Bush Lawyer

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    Tasmania, not "Tanzania." What becomes of 'them' is entirely up to them. They can sell and buy, or the State can come up with some compensation package,

    Nope. You are misconstruing my point. If the State of Israel is moved to Tasmania, that removes the catalyst for all the strife which goes on there against the State of Israel. It will continue to receive the massive aid it gets from particularly the USA....in Tasmania. You also do not seem to be aware that a very great many of the citizens of the State of Israel have recently moved there from Europe and the USA.
     
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    Why don't the Palestinians move there?
     
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    Why should the state of Israel move where it's been for thousands of years because a handful of racist terrorist don't like Jews?
     
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    state of israel isn't even 80 years old.
     
  22. struth

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    no, the Jewish people began somewhere in Iraq.
    the area has been known as Palestine for thousands of years.

    the jews were the minority population for most of the last 2,000 years
     
  24. Bush Lawyer

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    There is no Palestinian State. I am not moving people per se. I am moving the State of Israel and all the aid and assistance it gets internationally.
     
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    Rubbish. The State of Israel was artificially created and plonked where it is in the late 1940s. Oddly enough, Tasmania was one of the geographical places which were considered at the time. The West made a boo boo.
     
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