Peace in the Middle East for All Time

Nah. I don't care who moves with the State, Arab or Calathumpian. I am moving the State not necessarily the people. They can stay in that land if they wish or move with the State but that land will not be occupied by the State of Israel. It can become a vacuum, whatever.

 

We made that deal on the eve of the whole previous understanding evaporating due to the end dates on previous agreements.

Economic sanctions were scheduled to evaporate, for one big example.

The money DOES belong to Iran.

And, what WE need is a halt to their nuclear weapons direction and their regional beligerance. That isn't affected by the dollars.

Our negotiators achieved something no other government has attained - a deal, signed by Iran and by a collection of major powers that required specific actions on the part of Iran.

THAT was an enforceable treaty with signatories committed to that enforcemnt.

There is NOTHING we've done that is REMOTELY as powerful as that. That deal would require cooperation from signatories and would justify action against Iran. It would ensure the cooperation of the UN. It would immunize us against claims that we are in it for pure self interest or that we're just toadies of Israel, or any of the other charges that do get leveled against us. It would have far ranging influence on how similar problems with other emerging nuclear powers should be handled. - we are not going to conquer them all.

It cost releasing some of THEIR dollars - BFD!!! I'd DOUBLE their money if we could have that deal as signed by the nations who had signed it.

 

Countries don't get to look at it that way.

If they live there, they get to stay there. If borders change, they become citizens of the state they end up in.

What is an atrocity is stealing people's property and driving them awa.

What is an atrocity is denying people representation of the government that governs them.

 

No, terrorism is ended by killing the terrorists. The IRA saw the writing on the wall after 9/11. Being a terrorist wasn't fun anymore. The IRA didn't want to be lumped in with the moslems because they knew they'd be dealt with permanently.

Think South Africa solved their 'terrorism' problem? South Africa is now the most dangerous country in the world. That's because they're now in charge and there is no law.

The arabs/moslems are brainwashed lunatics. There's no dealing with them rationally. They're constantly at war with the rest of the world - and each other. Anyone that sticks up for them is either one of them or as demented as they are.

 

The Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998. Suggesting that was influenced by 911 is just you not bohering to have a clue.

Your comment on South Africa in no way addresses how Mandela's terrorism was reduced. The fact that they have serious problems today is NOT related to that IN ANY WAY. The problem SA now faces is that their vast majority population has been denied participation in government, education, white collar employment, science and technolgy, etc., for MANY decades. Repairing the damage of the apartheid regimes will take a long time.

You are choosing to ignore the truths that our founders documented in our declaration of independence and other founding documents.

Somehow, you think that people won't fight back when thei land is stolen, when they are denied representation, when they are denied freedom to travel, when they are ruled by foreign military government as implemented by mercenaries.

You appear to have NO clue what's going on OR what we stand for here in America.

 

You wanna remove Israel from the Middle East, but you don’t care if Israeli citizens removed together with Israel, or become citizens of some other state or become stateless or what have you?

I say, very wicked of you!

 

Dopey Donald Trump's supporters have already given him the 'pull-it-sir' prize.

 

America and New York is the real Jewish Homeland. There are more Jews in the USA than in Israel.

There are 2+ million Jews in New York and 5.5-8 million in USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

 

You appear to have no clue that we are not talking about America or Americans. We are talking about savages being savages and you waving a piece of paper at them is not going to change that.

 

No-one will be forced to move. It will be 100% up to individuals if they stay in a vacuum or move with the State of Israel.

 

Lip-service patriots like straight ahead have no knowledge of international politics and international or Middle East social issues.

straight ahead's knowledge is shallow and is obtained from Trump's bigotry, lies and political rhetoric.

 

Wondering where you were when pro-terrorist sympathies are on display. Your savage brethren await. The only one missing is from the pilgrimage is not me.

 

You know what I can't stand?

Hype.

that's all we ever get from Trump, is hype, tons of it, day in and day out and we never get anything told to us as things really are, we never get humility/dignity/statesmanship from Trump. We get crap, hype, bullshit, lies, by the tonnage, delivered with fire hose force, non stop since the day he took office, and every thing he says has only one angle, what's in it for him. It's nauseating..

With Trump, everything is the best, the greatest,and only Trump, who knows more than the generals, has boldly gone where no prior president has gone before, except, well, Carter (Israel/Egypt peace treaty ) and Clinton ( Israel / Jordan peace treaty ) noting that Israel had been in a state of war with Egypt and Jordan going back to '48 and those were real peace accords.

So much for doing something no one in history has accomplished. Trump always takes shortcuts, he cheats, he does things that he can hype to his base, because he knows they are not that informed, and will swallow the hype. Like all this crap about his 'promises kept' when most of it is just executive orders, **** that others write up and he just signs it, and pawns it off as an 'accomplishment'. Jeezus **** Trump fans are so easily fooled.

If Trump wants me to appreciate anything he does, it's simply got to stop being a huckster, a hypster, because he just comes off as a buffoon, unworthy of the office.

Now, about this so - called 'peace treaty'. It ain't.

This idea that it is a 'huge advance', ( eyes rolling ) I mean, when I hear Trump hype this like he's being doing, I want to throw up, it's dripping with hype. I mean, Trump is already hyping it as some kind of monumental, historic, 'peace' agreement, when, in fact, it's not monumental, nor is is historic, nor is it a peace agreement. Peace agreements only occur between warring nations and these nations are not at war with each other. Israel, UAE and Bahrain were not at war with each other, and all were allies of the US.

So, who benefits and who loses here? Well, All three are allies of the US, each has a tremendous incentive, specifically Mohammed bin Zayed, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi and the de facto ruler of the Emirates; Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia; Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel; and President Donald Trump. Each of these men needed this agreement rather urgently and they needed it NOW for one particular reason, to improve Trump's chances for reelection because they really want Trump to be reelected, so why not do as Egypt and Jordan did, eh? And while we're at it, it just may give Trump that boost he needs in his ratings, because, no doubt, he'll trump it up like some kind of major peace deal, and, of course, his base will lap it up like dogs, but anyone who understands the complex dynamics of the region knows what is really going on here. This is all about the Trump campaign. Trump wanted soooo much to get the deal into Woodward's book, he pleaded with Woodward, but, alas, the book had already been printed, tsk tsk, no promo for Trump's campaign.

But, who are the losers here? Why, as it happens, it's Iran and the Palestinians of Gaza (Hamas) and the Westbank (Palestinian Authority) , the very people with whom Israel has the MOST tension and with whom a real peace agreement, if achieved, would be historic, would be monumental. But this 'deal' exacerbates relations with the Palestinians. In fact, on the day of the signing of the deal, Hamas fired two rockets in protest at Ashdod and Ashkelon shortly after 8 p.m. Tuesday evening, just as representatives of Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain were poised to ink the "historic" Abraham Accords at the White House (no one was killed ). So much for 'peace'.

I'll file this agreement in the 'nice to have' file, and I'm not saying any diplomatic recognition any of the Arab states and Israel grant each other is bad, no it's a good thing and I acknowledge that Netanyahu did promise UAE they wouldn't annex any more of West Bank land, at least for the time being, and that's good ---though I hold it as suspect, because a guy like Netanyahu will reneg in a heartbeat if the Palestinians piss them off in any way, shape or form, and I'm sure Netanyahu has this in the calculation, that he will find a way out of that little gesture, and the agreement does nothing to grant Palestinians their dignity of self rule, nothing to remove the encroachments of Israeli settlements on palestinian territory, the fact that they are walled in, need permission to come and go, etc etc and the Israeli dominated life for palestinians is business as usual, but, score one for Trump and Kushner insofar as diplomatic recognition is nice but in no way is it the 'monumental peace agreement of the century' that's egregious hype, though Trump surely will frame it that way and his gullible followers will believe every word.

 

I was busy on a mission from Donald Trump that will dwarf the Middle East crap pile of peace Donald Trump just claimed credit for.

Peace between USA and Canada in our time.

This will be Donald Trump's October surprise, an announcement of the clever negotiation by Donald Trump of USA peace with Canada.

 

Did the agree to the two state solution in this agreement?

 

Is it any wonder then, America and Israel such good friends, supporting each other, and having each other backs?

But I think, you' meant to point out to something else, haven't you?

 

And so you want Israel to move to Tanzania but the citizens of Israel can remain in the Middle East if they wish so? Hm... and what will become of the millions of these former now stateless Israeli Jews and Arabs, and their property?

I think what you're really meant when you said you want Israel to move to Tanzania was to close your eyes and wish for Israel to magically disappear from the map, just like these Palestinian skrulbooks don't have Israel on their maps... not gonna happen, not without uprooting and destroying lives of these millions of Israelis Arabs. It is for a reason most Israeli Arabs promise to get up and move out of Israel if Palestinians ever gain control of it.

 

Will the Jews get to stay "there" if "there" is not the State of Israel? Will they get to keep their property and lands even if they can documentarily prove they have legally acquired it? Will their Arab neighbors peacefully coexist with their rich neighbor Jews and not pogrom them?

Not if history is any indication, and this is why Israel forever.

As for your "atrocity is stealing people's property and driving them awa", horseshit.

 

Your rant notwithstanding........................and you just can't stand it. The fact remains every President and every other country has for decades maintained that peace can ONLY be accomplished with a peace agreement between the state of Israel and the Palestinian leaders who pledge to kill them.

Remember this from the Dems "brilliant" foreign policy expert and loser Presidential candidate?

Talk about egg on his face! Trump was smart enough, and I never claim him to be necessarily brilliant but more pragmatic, to realize that the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian leadership has always been a dead end. So he tacked and got results and more will follow.

And try a little brevity next time and I don't care how much you hate Trump.

 

Once again, a thread that clearly reveals the Trump sycophants and lap dogs...........................

LOL

 

PA official names five countries set to establish ties with Israel
Following the success of Abraham Accords, talks are apparently underway with Oman, Sudan, the Comoros, Djibouti and Mauritania.

U.S. President Donald Trump, who hosted the historic signing ceremony of the Abraham Accords at the White House, said Tuesday that up to nine additional countries were expected to join the UAE and Bahrain in ending the boycott against relations with Israel. Trump did not list which countries he was referring to, but said specifically that he had a conversation with the King of Saudi Arabia.

https://worldisraelnews.com/pa-official-names-five-countries-set-to-establish-ties-with-israel/

Clearly.
LOL

 

And their agreement is needed for what?

 

Jesus Christ. You don’t even understand the issue.

 

Yup, and yet Kerry in 2016 said there was no way Israel would have peace with Arab states without a Palestinian state.

 

Sorry, you're friends who ran the Deep State coup attempt subverted our nation.