Peace in the Middle East for All Time

Better now thanks to Trump. Much worse under Obama.

 

The west bank is a geographical location. Judea and Samaria have and always will be the Jewish homeland.

 

This is not actualy true.

Israel has constantly required that even DURING "negotiations" they have the right to continue stealing Palestinian land and driving Palestinians from their homes.

Obviously, that is proof that NO resolution involving rational border between countries is even being remotely considered.

This was very well established during the Bush attempt at creating negotiations. There were entry conditions for the negotiation that each side had to accomplish. Palestine executed on their entry conditions.

Israel absolutely and clearly did not. They even agreed that they did not.

Bush totally punted on that, putting no serious pressure on Israel and instad tried to force Palestine to enter negotiations WHILE Israel continued stealing land from Palestinian residents.


You can NOT call that a problem with Palestinians.

 

Trump' no Obama or Clinton to kick the can down the road. American Embassy in Jerusalem?

 

Look what I wrote. After the UN partition ruling in 1948, the palestinians living in Israel left voluntarily. After their fellow arabs lost the war for them all except Jordan (then Trans-Jordan) refused to take them in. They have lived in refugee camps ever since and multiplied like rabbits.

 

Was Trump's moving American Embassy to Jerusalem more important to Trump than to Israelis?

 

By trashing the negotiated agreement, Trump has made it FAR harder for western nations to oppose Iran, including its advancement toward nuclear capability.

When nations were working together, they as a group could respond in a significant way to cases of Iran breaking the deal. THAT was a central purpose of putting the deal in place.

Now, the approach to Iran is back to being fragmented. Thus actions taken by any one nation to deny Iran access to banking, trade, or whatever (the leverage that works) are far less effective.

 

That move was in support of Israel's policy of ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

And, it undermined the possibility of future negotiation by declaring a solution for the city that is divided by a border and is claimed by both countries as their rightful capitol.

Trump's act undermined the possibility of negotiations.

 

And here I was, thinking Trump had upheld the law instead of kicking the can down the road.

You know, I’ve no **** about Palestinians. They had gazillion chances of negotiating with Israel, and now the train has left the station. Tough. But they’re now more irrelevant than ever.

 

Iran is irrelevant, and they’re losing their influence in the Middle East. So theyre making the bomb but they won’t complete it. Israel will see to that.

 

No, Israel did not constantly required that even during negotiations they had the right to continue stealing Palestinian land and driving Palestinians from their homes.

The rest is the equal horseshit.

 

Wrong try again i didnt mention all the branches of muslim just the teo that really dont like each other the most.


From wiki (i know they suck for most things but wanted to show where you went wrong)

About isis

The ideology of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS or Daesh) has been described as being based on Salafism, Salafi jihadism, and Wahhabism.

About al Qaeda
While the leadership's own theological platform is essentially Salafi, the organization's umbrella is sufficiently wide to encompass various schools of thought and political leanings. Al-Qaeda counts among its members and supporters people associated with Wahhabism, Shafi'ism, Malikism, and Hanafism. There are even some Al-Qaeda members whose beliefs and practices are directly at odds with Salafism, such as Yunis Khalis, one of the leaders of the Afghan mujahedin. He was a mystic who visited the tombs of saints and sought their blessings – practices inimical to bin Laden's Wahhabi-Salafi school of thought. The only exception to this pan-Islamic policy is Shi'ism. Al-Qaeda seems implacably opposed to it, as it holds Shi'ism to be heresy. In Iraq it has openly declared war on the Badr Brigades, who have fully cooperated with the US, and now considers even Shi'i civilians to be legitimate targets for acts of violence.[127]


Im no scholar of muslim but do know that there are tons of different sects and a lot of them are at odds with one another.

 

The UN partition ruling of 1948 established two territories, Israel and Palestine. Around 700,000 to 900,000 left Israel, however there were around 2 million people living in Palestine at the time

 

No they dont. So your saying it would be cool if i started stealing the land your living on???

 

Well, I doubt Iran has Mar-a-Lago on their nuclear target list, so he's got that going for him..

Probably not Otisville either...

 

They evacuated due to the war.

Israel denied them their HOMES when they returned.

There is NO REASON for Palestinians to EVER lose their homes due to theft - now or in the past.

International law clearly lays that out. ANY ethnic cleansing IS a humanitarian crime.

When borders change, the residents become citizens of their new country.

Your are promoting an international crime.

 

Yes.

 

Guees then you gotta own land before you would actually care if someone takes......

 

Dunno how well you know the history of the Jews, but since you unequivocally take the side of Falestinians, I unequivocally take the side of Israelis. And that’s that.

 

Since this never happened, I summarily declare your post be a bullshit.

 

Have Arabs honored the UN partition ruling? Yes, no?

 

It's going on right now.

There are Arab citizens of Isreal, living in Israel, who are not allowed to live in the homes they owned when they fled and then returned after the war.

Also, Arab citizens of Israel are not allowed to live wherever they want in Israel. The government decides where they may live.

Israel is an "apartheid light" state. It's not as bad as South Africa was. But, citizens who are not Jewish do not have the same rights. And, that goes for Christians, too.

 

I haven't heard Americans saying annexing land from Mexico in the past is problematic.
You know that California, Nevada and Arizona are annexed ?
Palestine is Jordan.
The illegal Bedouins took control of Samaria and now they call it "Palestine".

 

MYTH ALERT ... MYTH ALERT
Pro Islamo Jihado Arabo propoganda

 

In 1967 who ruled that area ? Jordan.
Jordan is Palestine.