Peace in the Middle East for All Time

I dont take any side i look at things objectively unlike yourself.
I could give a flying f about either. Pne uses us to death and one we are not so friendly with. You on the other hand see only brown skin filled with hate that trump has pumped into you..

 

You know the answer to that, and it is not the Israelis. All Trump gives a flying fuq about is the US Jewish American vote.

 

Sure, keep telling yourself that. They are not going away any time soon. The sooner the State of Israel is relocated out of the ME the better. It can still have all the recognition it warrants in say Tasmania.

 

My first question is...what UN partition ruling?

 

Again, the main problem with Israel annexing Palestine is they do not recognize the people of Palestine as citizens of Israel, nor do they recognize them as citizens of their own country. They’re robbing the Palestinians of their most basic human rights

And for the record, plenty of Americans do say that the US annexing land was problematic. With an annexation it is the obligation of the nation that is seizing that land more than anyone else to recognize the people living there as citizens. Any nation that does not live up to this obligation is an oppressor of said people

 

Dirty Donny and the Yahoo in Israel think no one sees that the Palestinians are still being screwed, and this stunt does nothing.

 

I'll hear that after you will return California to Mexico.
Talk is cheap

 

When the US annexed California, they gave the people living there US citizenship

 

They started the war to kill all the Jews!

And this was right after WWII.

I'm going to try to kill you but after I fail I can come back like nothing happened and try again, right?

 

Really!

 

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21695.pdf

Background on Wahhabism

Definitions. Wahhabism is a puritanical form of Sunni Islam and is practiced in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, although it is much less rigidly enforced in the latter. The word “Wahhabi” is derived from the name of a Muslim scholar, Muhammad bin Abd al Wahhab, who lived in the Arabian peninsula during the eighteenth century (1703-1791). Today, the term “Wahhabism” is broadly applied outside of the Arabian peninsula to refer to a Sunni Islamic movement that seeks to purify Islam of any innovations or practices that deviate from the seventh-century teachings of the Prophet Muhammad and his companions.1 In most predominantly Muslim nations, however, believers who adhere to this creed or hold similar perspectives prefer to call themselves “Unitarians” (muwahiddun) or “Salafiyyun” (sing. Salafi, noun Salafiyya).

 

But they are completely different in terms of the interpretations of the Koran. I believe other than that they are the same on how muhammad came and the future. (There are major differences on what they believe is about to come between a lot of different sects)

 

Jews and others can go there to live anytime they want.

The issue is that the STATE of Israel is removing people from their houses, stealing their land and ruling them with foreign military government in which the people do not have representation.

Our founders would have gone to war over less than that.

In fact, they DID!

 

The issue in the state of Palestine is that Israel has invaded.

Israel is continuing to steal the land of those living there.

Israel is ruling that land under their military legal system (implemented in significant part by mercenary forces) - a system in which Palestinians have no representation.

This is an ongoing humanatarian atrocity in which American principles of law, government and human rights simply do not exist.

NO amount of histiory of ANY era affects these fundamental facts.

 

One serious problem I have with this is that it does not show anything about the scale of the issue with ISIS and AQ.

What I mean is that captured documents from the OBL raid show that in 2002 there were about 170 members of AQ. (These folks were NOTin Iraq before we conquered Iraq for some totally unidentified reason.)

ISIS is larger. They may have between 80K and 100k fighters spread around the region.

Even with those miniscule numbers AND the fact that all regional governments opposed them strongly, existence is made possible by the problems in the region.

Ignoring those problems WILL continue to make their existence possible. As long as those problems continue, these groups will find success in recruiting and will find a population that (in spite of their government) will not be particularly averse to allowing them aid.

Let's remember that the IRA was not reduced by the huge power and technology of UK government.

Let's remember that the explicitly declared terrorism of Mandela was not reduced by the overwhelming military force of South Africa.

When injustices wee addressed, terrorism ended. And, the fact of the complete and total immorality of terrorism is NOT a factor in that. That is, the morality of terrorism is NOT a justification for taking an approach to ending it that can not possibly succeed..

Our policy of massively arming ME governments and ignoring the acts committed by those govenments we arm is NOT an approach that will cause ME populations to reject terrorism as they struggle under conditions that we simply ignore.

 

No, they started the war because of the loss of their fundamental rights of self government and representation were being lost to an invading military presence.

Palestinians had nothing to do with WWII, so that part of your argument is just plain ridiculous.

When war ceases, ALL those residing in the contested area get to have representation in the government under which they reside and get to keep their property. They are citizens of the country in which any border changes place them.

When Germany lost, France and Russia didn't get to drive people out of Germany and steal their land. NO crimes committed could possibly have justified that. Punishment of a people is absolutely and totally against international law as well as being counter to what the USA stands for.

There is no question that the first world used the UN to steal the birthright of every individual living in Palestine with NO justification that considered those people living there.

Since then, the US has backed the ethnic cleansing of the land between Israel and the Jordan river, ruling the region with their military government in which the people have no say.

WE created that monstrosity. No nation had the clout we had at that time. And, WE continue to promote the humanitarian atrocity that we created.

We WORK to deny Palestinians the fundamental rights that we claim in our own declaration of independence.

 

Not much that those countries can do.
Al Qaeda at least whats left of them live train in the mtns which is not a very easy task to tske care of. Plus you had the Talibans running the country and they are very corrupt.
As far as isis they formed after the iraq war. Most ppl in that region didnt like us there especially it seemed mostly to stesl oil. Getting out Saddam Hussein was the biggest mistake we have made ever in that region it brought nothing but instability in thr region. Yes he was a very terrible person but he brought stability to a extent. Yes he had wars with iran but i prefer that way more than them trying for nukes like they are now. Yes he also gased his ppl a cpl of tines. Inhumane but sometimes that is better than the alternative.

 

How the heck to you come up with accusing ME for the Taliban???

Yes, we made a monumental mistake in Iraq.

But, that mistake doesn't cover for the mistake we just made by trashing our own negotiated deal with Iran that IRAN had to sign and gave US the consortium of nations that were committed by THEIR signatures to work with us to demand Iranian behavior. Trump just gave Iran a "get out of jail free" card.

Terrorism doesn't get ended by finding people to shoot. Terrorism is ended by addressing the problems that cause humans to resort to terrorism - like with the IRA and Mandela.

If anyone wants to shoot at ISIS, fine. So far, those who fight ISIS have been those locally - not foreign troops like ours. But, there is no indication that is a solution.

 

The state of Palestine is an entity on paper only, they don’t even have their own money. Further, no part of Judea and Samaria belong to The state of Palestine (whatever it is); these are disputed territories administered by Israeli to be disbursed as a result of direct negotiations between Israel and Palestinians.

Or something like that

 

No idea, I myself was asking another (Liberal I’m sure) poster who referred to it

 

Of course not, the Israel is full of them and their population has increased by 1,500% since 1948!

Why do you want to send Israeli Arabs to Tasmania? Don’t you like them or something?

 

By upholding US law and moving US Embassy to Jerusalem, President Trump has strengthened Israel and showed the way to the peaceful coexistence to all the Middle East countries. Look what happening, my friend, and rejoice

Israel should name a city after Trump.

Wait... they did

 

I said......relocate the State of Israel. I have not and will not mention Arabs or Jews or Calathumpians.

 

Well... the Israel is full of Arabs and you seem to want to relocate Israel with all of their Arabs to Tasmania. What have Israeli Arabs did to you to deserve such fate?

You’ve stepped in it, my friend. Big time

 

Sry about the you lol dunno how i let that one get by.

I agree about iran we should never have torn it up the worst part of the eeal with releasing all that money already happened so it was stupid and ignorant to tear it up and then he had the stupidity to think iran would still follow it lol.