The Blue states should let the red states leave.

We only have to win a trade war with you. How long can you last without food and energy.? Why should smart people move to a country starving in the dark? I trust the soldiers analysis here more than yours. By gaining control of our own resources, our GDP per capita would be quite enough to siphon talented people from you.

And we wouldn't need the assistance of the Blue states. The Red states have all the resources, the Blue states have the parasites. Heck, we would get all of your skilled labor. You can have the college professors. Try to get a college professor to fix your toilet.

 

Yeah you are. What do you think succession is gonna be?

 

You wont win a trade war with Honduras. You will instantly be near the bottom of the list of developed countries in terms of GDP per capita and income per capita. You will experience a lightning fast brain and talent drain. You will have no military and no border security. You will have no nationalized industry amd no social safety net. You will no longer have federal funds contributed mostly by blue states to prop you up. If you started a food trade war, you would not have the blue State money to give your farmers to ensure they keep growing food. Your residents would be fleeing your country as fast as they can, especially the educated and talented ones. What a joke. I entered this thread for entertainment purposes, not quite thinking any rational adult would take up the mantle of this nonsense. It is disappointing that anyone takes this seriously. How stupid. Enjoy, guys.

 

No, absolutely not. Secession is not an option because somebody does not get their way, whether it is California wanting to leave or Texas or and any combination of states. If you want to leave, pack your **** and get out. But you do not get to take United States land with you. Libs can trot off to Venezuela, cons can go to Yemem.

 

Why are all the people with an IQ over 50 fleeing California and NYC even as we speak?

[quorw]In the last trade war (in which Trump got our 4sses kicked up and down the street), we had to pour 10s of billions of dollars into the red states to make sure the farmers didn't stop growing food and to keep the farmers themselves from starving. This was mostly blue State money. You will no longer have this resource in your foreign country. So if you think the red states are equipped to start a trade war over food, you are abjectly ignorant of history and of the facts on the ground.[/QUOTE]

One fact on the ground is that, absent a terrible drought, farmers never starve.

 

Don't go away mad. Just go away.

 

Power companies have been saving, over the past couple of decades, in that power reducing technologies have been making it possible for them to serve more customers with fewer power generating facilities. Electric vehicles run on batteries. Batteries that can be charged whenever the sun is shining and/or the wind is blowing. Photovoltaic cells can be designed into the car, so that one’s batteries can charge as one spends their day at work. One does not have to give a good portion of one’s income to the gas companies. Especially when the sun gives us nice reliable, environmentally friendly, energy for free, day after day after day....

 

The technology industry has a way of turning states blue and green. Austin, and the surrounding area is the most liberal part of Texas. And Houston has become a strong Democratic bastion.

The more I think about it, the best way to reduce the conservative drag is to create centers of innovation within a few staunchly Republican states. Reverse the brain drain and return sanity to American politics.

It would be wonderful to welcome Texas into the America of the future. Where California and Texas are allies in the west. Once Texas turns back to blue, without a major rebranding, Republican presidents will become a thing of the past.

 

That may well work and may be the reason blue cities endeavor to become unlivable hell holes to drive people away into the livable red states. Liberals do have this tendency to foul their own nests.

PS-- do you really want a one-party US?

 

The real political battle is between the wealthy at the top and everyone else. Jeff Bezos became the wealthiest man in the world by running little businesses out of business. The majority of his workers make $15 an hour and work under such conditions that few last more than a year or so. Amazon and Bezos pay almost no taxes. That is because the Republican Party thinks that people like Bezos should pay no taxes. And that his workers should have no protections. Jeff Bezos is the result of forty years of Reaganomics.

 

The real question that needs to be answered is what constitutes sufficient evidence that the 'state' wants to secede and who gets to decide the evidence is compelling enough. Is it about the state legislature, and the governor? Is it about a referendum? Is it about both? Does Congress have to validate these results in a bill that goes to the President's desk in the same way it voted to add states to the union?

What gets really tricky here, is that fellow republicans who live in states that do not want to secede, end up losing representatives and senators by voting for their former colleagues to walk into the sunset. They are voting to be abandoned politically by their allies who they need to protect their partisan and ideological interests in washington.

 

So we’re down to floating a New Confederacy? Do people realize what they’re suggesting? My goodness, drama queens grow the freak up.

 

The amount of taxes paid has no influence on what he pays his workers.

The reason Bezos can pay his workers so little is the skilled manufacturing jobs have gone to China and immigrants from Mexico increase the labor pool. Both parties have connived to make this so. Thus you get Trump as a repudiation of both parties.

Globalization is the enemy.

 

But Bezos votes and thinks blue. He's on your team. So no, the real political battle isn't between the wealthy at the top vs everyone else, because you are on team Bezos. In fact, Wall Street donors favored Biden over Trump. This is between the guys who pay "$15 an hour and work under such conditions that few last more than a year or so" and the Trump team.

 

- No military
- No border security
- will instantly shoot to near the bottom of the list of modern countries in terms of GDP and income per capita
- will no longer have Blue State federal money to prop them up
- no social safety net
- instant brain and talent drain when educated and talented people immediately flee their cities and universities

What a joke.

 

Whoopi Goldberg is often seen as being on the blue team. Watch the View, she is no liberal, and is rather ignorant on most subjects. Her and Joy Bahar had on-air breakdowns over the possibility of a Bernie Sander’s presidency.

In the deep blue bowels of the tech world, people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are often seen as evil villains, who appropriate the work of others and destroy competition. And then came that pipsqueak Zuckerberg. These are horrible people who have stolen from and used people to gain their wealth. They may support the blue team, but they mostly violate the ideals and the spirit of liberal ideologies. They may vote blue but as history has shown, their offspring will become part of the idle wealthy who manipulate the human herd. It has always been like that. A man starts out with liberal ideas and builds an empire. His children and grand children know nothing of having to create to survive, and become part of the dominate force within the Republican Party. Have you not noticed how many people in the Trump’s administration have been people who were born wealthy? Like the Trump.

 

As long as more rural red areas of blue states could do like wise and leave to stay in the US.

 

If the red states leave the union I hope they build a wall to keep out the lefties.

 

And almost all of that was due to Texas myriad of military bases.

 

I'd ask you for proof but I know you're not into that

 

Nothing new. Democrats have been saying the same thing for 16 years.

 

What’s important to remember is that statistic is by value, not a measure of calories or potential to feed a population a balanced diet. Big difference in this scenario.

The blue states would have all the almonds they wanted, but without imports of feed for the dairy and livestock sector almonds and other high value crops would be all they had until a partial transition to other crops could occur. In fact, with the pollination industry being what it is today, all the big apiaries in red states could stop wintering honey bees in CA and there wouldn’t even be any almonds.

That’s what bothers me most about talk about secession. Both sides are mostly ignorant of how ugly reality would be for everyone involved.

 

I love it how you can’t tolerate real democracy. To you, everything should be done only one certain way. I bet you’d love to live in an authoritarian single-party state.
I have a better idea! Instead of splitting this great country, how about we send progressive whackos to Africa or some other area? One way tickets are cheap nowadays, I’d fully support government funding them in exchange for voiding emigrants’ US citizenships.

 

Fort Hood, naval base at Galveston, there's at least two or three others. In aggregate more than enough to make up the difference.

 

That's not what I was asking. I was asking for you to prove that almost all of the $1.03 is due to the military bases. Please provide the breakdown.