Kamala Harris says abortions are a constitutional right

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  1. fmw

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    I worry about both.
     
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    Nit picking when you have nothing else and can't answer those inconvenient questions :) (or address complete posts)
     
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    Everything I need, I have in Roe v Wade.
     
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    No its not, no state could ban abortion.
     
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    43 states banned abortion, under Roe.
    States run by right-wing crazies -- states like CA NY Hi IL NJ CT
    All of them banned abortion after viability.
    Thus:
    Your statement...
    RvW told the states that they can't take away a woman's right to abortion...
    ...is demonstrably false.
     
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    What the Constitution guarantees is that all American citizens own, completely, their own bodies, and therefore everything in them or on them. Now, if a fetus that is growing inside an American female's body is somehow different, then I wish the anti-abortion faction would explain that. The point? Whether any of us particularly likes it or not, a woman's body and everything in it belongs to her and her ALONE. That's all there is to it.
     
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    Nope, women could still get abortions.
     
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    Until viability. After that abortion was banned, except in emergencies.
    Thus:
    Roe said states CAN take away a woman's right to abortion.
     
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    Nope, women could still get abortions.
     
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    In emergencies, as determined by 1-2 doctors.
    They could not simply walk into a clinic and get one.
    Because Roe said states CAN take away a woman's right to abortion.
     
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    No it didn't, sorry.
     
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    The contitution also doesnt say you can put creamer in your coffee.

    And yet, imagine that, you can do so. Shocking isnt it?
     
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    You're lying to yourself.

    Roe:
    3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which interests grows and reaches a 'compelling' point at various stages of the woman's approach to term. Pp. 147-164.

    (a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician. Pp. 163-164.

    (b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health. Pp. 163-164.

    (c) For the stage subsequent to viability the State, in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life, may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother. Pp. 163-164; 164—165.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113

    Thus:
    Roe said states CAN take away a woman's right to abortion.

    Go ahead. Lie to yourself some more.
     
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    And it still didn't.
     
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    Go ahead. Lie to yourself some more.
     
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    ...may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe...

    Go ahead. Lie to yourself some more.
     
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    Limits are not a ban, so no lie.
     
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    Fortunately it does allow idiotic posts.
     
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    Go ahead. Lie to yourself some more.
     
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    Since you're been reduced to lying yourself -- and thus, to everyone else... back on ignore.
    Bhuh-bye.
     
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    Counterargument: Roe v Wade:

    3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which interests grows and reaches a 'compelling' point at various stages of the woman's approach to term. Pp. 147-164.

    (a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician. Pp. 163-164.

    (b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health. Pp. 163-164.

    (c) For the stage subsequent to viability the State, in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life, may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother. Pp. 163-164; 164—165.

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