Kamala Harris says abortions are a constitutional right

I think that is where most are getting thier info - hinestly the degree of ignorance around reproduction is astounding! I get the distinct impression from some that they believe that a baby develops like an old fashioned instant photo within minutes of sex and that “baby” is fully formed

 

Its human, its not a person.

 

I literally mentioned miscarriages in the post you quoted before, so I don't know where you get where I said 'all pregnancies end in perfect Gerber babies'. I didn't even mention the health of the fetus in question, I just mentioned the end product: The birth of a child. Now when we get into health deficiencies, and complications arising from birth that's where the waters get murkier and I admit to being somewhat of a pro-eugenics person in that sense.

I don't see the purpose in having a child grow in the world with some debilitating physical or mental ailment, for no other purpose than to say we 'value life'.

But the eugenics view, in essence backs up the value placed on a fetus because we want that child to grow vibrant and healthy and because we can feel for that child's future pain, we want to alleviate it from that pain.

 

9th amendment

 

It benefits a future adult person. You know that.

 

Miscarriages are natural. They are not homicide. Poor deflection.

 

Nonsense. All other rights are meaningless when one is dead.

 

What? !! A human fetus is human....YOU don't get to decide what it is...

 

That sure sums up the Anti-Choice crowd....and Republicans in general..

 

But you do?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
What? !! A human fetus is human....YOU don't get to decide what it is...

Where TF did I say that? No where...

..just because you were corrected doesn't mean a silly deflection will work

PS, I have science and facts on my side....a human fetus can't be anything but human....do you disagree????

 

Small nitpick. Homicide is not banned. Murder and manslaughter are culpable homicide. Not all homicide is.

 

Would you vote for a politician that you agree with on all other issues except their desire to confiscate all guns?

 

At what phase of development do you believe viability occurs?

 

If one is dead then rights do not matter.
I don’t understand why you believe my statement is “nonsense” though.

What are the purpose of other rights if one doesn’t own their own body?

 

Everyone owns their body. Nobody is free to commit homicide.

 

Did it occur to you that abortion is culpable?

 

No I agree.

 

It may be. That's the whole question to start with.
Assuming it is homicide, is it culpable homicide?
It also remains in question if it is homicide at all, as homicide is the killing of a human person. Is the unborn a person, and at what stage does it become one of before birth?

 

Irrelevant to the question of bodily autonomy - whenever that point is reached, the autonomy you claim is conditional.

 

A being that has no brain or heart function cannot be murdered. No one has a right to be supported by another’s body without their consent

 

At viability the unborn has both a brain and a heartbeat.
At that point the state can - and 43 states do - criminalize abortion and thus force the mother to support the child w/o consent.

 

Zygotes do not have that ability and fetuses do not for a significant portion of their development.

Once the child reaches a point of viability, the only way to preserve the bodily autonomy of both parties would be to remove the child and give it medical treatment until it can survive on its on.

 

Also irrelevant to the point made.

Sounds like you need to talk to your state legislature.

 

If you are speaking of viability then it is completely relevant. I guess that’s your debate strategy? Just say it’s irrelevant so you don’t have to address it.

My state is too busy trying to gerrymander out unwanted voters and removing black representatives, I will continue to express my views that track with the rest of the nation.

Republicans are not going to know what hit them in a few election cycles if polling is even remotely accurate