At Least 300 Dead In GAZA HOSPITAL BOMBING

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  1. Irie

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    What I find even more troubling is that that group denounced, much more vociferously, what was a (supposed) retaliatory attack than the murder/rape fest that precipitated it.
     
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    https://www.justsecurity.org/89489/...ict-in-the-israel-hamas-war/#:~:text=Directly targeting civilians is strictly,the object of an attack

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    https://www.justsecurity.org/89489/...ict-in-the-israel-hamas-war/#:~:text=Directly targeting civilians is strictly,the object of an attack

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    Are you say that the Palestinians are guilty of a war crime? From my point of view the seem to be the only ones engaging this kind of activity.
     
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    Actually you highlighted from the OP article which admits the rocket might have been fired from Gaza, so how did age badly?

    Either way, the US has accepted the 'failed launch' version as the official story and the truth, and re-confirmed full support for Israel, so other theories are moot point from US POV
     
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    It was burning rocket fuel that did the most damage. It incinerated a number of cars. Secondary explosions would come from exploding gas tanks. The real question is, how many victims got burned up with the cars?
     
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    Where and when were those pictures taken? Those pics show an incredible amount of structural damage, but we now know that is not the reality.
     
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    Then there are people who don't understand what they read before replying , even when it's highlight it in RED.

    OP:

    'There are indications that this could actually be a case of a Palestinian rocket, which was mis-targeted."
     
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    He criticized other people's theories saying they weren't supported by media entities.

    He then invented a theory as a possibility that Israel was tired of dealing with Palestinians, and Biden's criticism of Israel, so they bombed the hospital as an inhumane action designed to escalate the war and help them reach their political goal of wanting this to flow into a larger "regional war" outside of Israel and Gaza.

    He also stated as matter of fact, not opinion, that Israel didn't want innocent civilians to evacuate.

    His projections in this thread haven't aged well.
     
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    There is recorded phone conversations of Islamic Jihad members admitting it was a misfire, fired from the cemetery next to the hospital. And video of the misfire.
     
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    4 out of 5 is a majority.

    Right now, I think Bibi himself disapprove of what his own administration has been doing. People who cheered for him couple of weeks ago are now attacking him and his former administration with a passion.
     
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    Is that 4 out of 5 before, or after the Hamas attack? There are other things they don't like about him, but I doubt that 4 out 5 applies to the handling of the current events.
     
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    It really doesn't show that. It does show many little rockets were fired from near the hospital right before a giant explosion hit the hospital. This footage makes me think the hospital was unintentionally targeted in a spontaneous Israeli response to the rocket attack. So do we have proof their rockets had this kind of explosive power? See how many rockets were fired? If each of them had that kind of explosive power, it would be really noticeable wherever they exploded. Hopefully Biden had better information than this to prove it was a rocket misfire.
     
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    The lack of a substantial crater might indicate an antipersonnel weapon. It also might indicate an airburst , also indicative of an antipersonnel warhead with a large payload fused to burst some distance above ground but with enough force to create a small crater. This could easily kill several hundred people in a small area and cook off soft vehicles .
     
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    Look at the sky. Those pictures weren't even taken on the same day...lol
     
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    An airburst wouldn't have left a crater and the blast zone would have been wider.

    None of the vehicles appear to have holes in them indicating frags being blown from the warhead.

    You guys need to learn how these weapons work before coming up with these theories...lol

    Face it, there weren't no 500 people killed in that blast. I don't believe 300 were killed.
     
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    One of the videos shows one of the rockets falling, then an explosion at the hospital.
     
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    That would be better, but still not 100%. The iron dome is good but not perfect, a small percentage get through. Has a rocket from Gaza ever done this kind of damage in Israel, at least in terms of explosive power? If not, were these rockets new or unusual? It's just not quite adding up. If they have this kind of explosive power, what happened to the other 20+ rockets we see being fired? Were there massive explosions in the sky from iron dome? Past footage I've seen seems like pretty small explosions from the interceptions.
     
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    And most of the cars are sitting upright. There is one car that flipped over but it would appear the initial blast did very little. The hospital appears to have sustained very little damage.
     
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    Science should be able to tell the trajectory from the NYT footage alone. We hear the projectile. We see the explosion. Imagine a giant protractor placed over Gaza with all the possible trajectories. Without any computer assistance or scientific investigation, using my own senses on the footage, I can immediately eliminate a third or so of all possible trajectories, from about 0 degrees (meaning the rocket came speeding straight down from above the hospital, as if fired from an aircraft) to 30 degrees (with 90 degrees meaning the rocket traveled parallel to the ground right past these guys filming), based on the length of time the propulsion device is heard in the video before seeing the first instant of visual evidence (the explosion).

    It seems reasonable to me that the sound of the projectile is heard for too long for it to be coming in at a steep angle. I know scientific investigation of the sound of the projectile alone can eliminate many more possible trajectories.
     
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    what are you saying?

    There is two narrative –

    US Government and Israeli government saying Palestinian Terrorist accidently attacked the Hospital.

    VS

    HAMS saying Israel attacked the hospital.

    Which one are you advocating?
     
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    Neither. Anyone can create an audio recording. Not sure why that is so hard for you to understand
     
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    Hamas are murdering terrorists! They are the worst kind of evil.
     
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    Congrats ! Since the Hamas rockets are primarily anti personnel, you are saying it’s not one of theirs . In addition, there aren’t enough views to determine how many fragment were flying around and that crater is very small. You claim there were munitions in the cars yet all the views show the cars burned but not exploded from the inside.

    You really need to learn how these weapons work before shooting your mouth off.

    What’s your candidate for the munition that hit ?
     
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    If you don’t believe either of the narrative. What do you think happened?
     
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