At Least 300 Dead In GAZA HOSPITAL BOMBING

Before what?
Palestinians under attack as Israeli settler violence surges in the West Bank
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...sQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Wik3WGZL70MfuXpWJ2XkA

Qusra was Wadi's village, in the northern part of the West Bank near Nablus. The funeral that day was for four Palestinians from the village. Three had been killed the previous day - Wednesday 11 October - after Israeli settlers entered Qusra and attacked a Palestinian family home.

The fourth was shot dead in clashes with Israeli soldiers that followed.

The following day, the Qusra villagers were preparing to set out for a hospital half an hour away and return with the bodies of the dead. To do so, they would need to travel across land that is dotted with Israeli settlements, where the risk of violence, high even in ordinary times, has risen dramatically in the two weeks since the Hamas attack that launched a war with Israel.

There was no way for Wadi to know that, in a few hours' time, hardline Israeli settlers would confront the funeral procession and his own brother and young nephew would be shot dead.

 

you seem to act as if there was no prior violence against Israelis. You act as if these Jews just said one day-Let's go kill some Muslims just for the hell of it

 

You've already stated that you would arm yourself and fight back against strangers who come to your's and your neighbors homes and force you to leave. How is that any different to what Palestinians initially did in the West Bank until they decided to go down the peace route which is clearly not working given the ever increasing settlements?

 

So if stoping Fascism, Hamas, Nazism, piracy involves "ONE" civilian death ... ?

 

Is it your position that Hamas and PLO atrocities are justified because they cannot achieve their objectives through either negotiation or military force?

 

No

 

Here's a poll from 2021:

"The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party."

Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas | AP News

I don't imagine they have much free press in the terrorist controlled territory and when citizens are only hearing stories of the glories of their terrorist rulers and the evils of Israel I'm surprised even more don't go along. I suppose their poverty makes some question their government, living in total poverty with billions in aid pouring into Gaza from foreign sources.

 

Tye relevant word is 'acceptable.'

 

So is "One civilian death" 'acceptable' to stop Fascism, Hamas, Nazism, piracy?

 

No. Inevitable, but not "acceptable." Get it, yet??????

 

Acceptable to Hamas, which is the only opinion that matters.

Be sure to take it up with their Complaint Department. No doubt they give a sh*t....

 

It sounds like you're spiriling trying to get out of past posts.

 

It sounds like you are confused and do not understand that words have meaning. I choose them accordingly.

 

Boy, have we found ourselves some real racist in this thread, I guess antisemitism is an issue in this country after all. Strange how the wacko lefties always accuse others of what they really are. I will say there are some that have lost all credibility reading through the nonsense then watching the BS walk back attempt while still defending these savages. I hate the Palestine's elected Hamas, I hate they didn't kick Hamas out, and I hate their government is using them for cover. Israel literally gave them gaza and asked for nothing. Jews moved out, their military moved out, and what seems to be a trend in Palestine, they chose terrorists to run their country. It for sure wasn't as safe nor prosperous as it was in Iseral ran it and anyone with a pea brain knows it. Carry on far left racists.

 

You picked whose messenge you were going to parrot, and apparently agree that 1/10th of the absolute bare minimum of aid is something to that good that we "don't need to worry". You could have picked the message up that Israel is not allowing enough aid by a long shot and so is committing war crimes on that account. It's on you that you're that parrot of the war criminal.

 

Israel has an active policy to violently oppress Palestine for the sake to start new and enlarge existing their Jew colonies. It has been in place for over half a century. And so the claim of Israel that it is "defending" is utter nonsense. What is happening now can not be seen as some separate out of the blue incident. We all know Hamas is the result of the 1st uprising from that Jewish policy of violent oppression, occupation and colonization. That policy of the Jewish state to go colonize around is a war crime, and you just admitted you support that country and so you support war crimes, besides that you support the way Israel violently has oppressed millions of people with no future ahead at all. Thanks for clarifying this all.

While for the sake of this topic. Israel claims that they proved it was a Hamas rocked with video evidence of some missile flying around. The NYT proved it could not have been that missile at all. You've been spoon fed nonsense and fell for it.

 

I don't see how Israel would be annihilated if it complies to international law.
In fact. We all see the annihilation of Palestine by the endless starting new Jew only colonies and enlarging existing Jew only colonies by Israel in East-Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Your idea they "willfully allow themselves to be used as shields" is racist nonsense. Those citizens can't go anywhere. We all know it.
In fact. Jews let themselves be used as human shields. They go beyond their border and colonize the land. It's a war crime what they do. Palestine got full rights to defend themselves against this, and them Jews put their own children at that front line. The first uprising against this violent colonization policy that the Jews still got going produced Hamas. Ergo, there wouldn't be a Hamas if the Jews stuck to international law, and so there would not be a massacre if the Jews stuck to international law.

While for the sake of this topic. Israel claims that they proved it was a Hamas rocked with video evidence of some missile flying around. The NYT proved it could not have been that missile at all. You've been spoon fed nonsense and fell for it.

 

I don't see any argument why my sources in post 428 are "irrelevant opinions".

 

The truth is that Israel is the occupier of Gaza. Israel made it so that they can't trade and put a gate all around it, the land, the sea, the air, ... and subsequently they turned the place into a open air prison. And here you are wondering why an open air prison isn't economically successful, but you're not contesting to how Israel has occupied Gaza.

 

Your reacting to an American source that has no problem in placing the death toll on 300 people. And America is fanatically pro Israeli. Safe to say that it's far worse and that will do for now. That this is an estimation, is obvious and no reason to go dispute it all.

And while Israel claims that they proved it was a Hamas rocked with video evidence of some missile flying around. The NYT proved it could not have been that missile at all. You've been spoon fed nonsense and fell for it.

 

That seems to be your favorite source to validate claims: "I think." But what more evidence, could anyone ask for, or expect?

Just what are you suggesting that people here could do, if they were genuinely concerned, for your Palestinian "family who has a Hamas machine gun nest on the roof of their flat," example?

 

It is you, who have offered no disputing evidence. But here is the basis for my claim, from post #209, near the top of page 9

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ospital-bombing.614263/page-9#post-1074481324

(This is only a partial snip, including the most relevant portion, but there is far more in my linked post, and more than that, at the website). Note, I have indicated the beginning of the part specific to our debate, by colorizing it violet.

The material says that Israel considers itself justified in regarding an entire residential building as a military target, with therefore no damage or death being considered "collateral," provided there is "an <singular> enemy military facility" or "military units." I read this to mean any Hamas "base," which could be a single apartment, with weapons and, perhaps, with Hamas fighters, but without any minimum number required. The mere fact that the spot is used by Hamas, I would contend allows Israel to consider it, "an enemy facility."

 

According to international law it all must be within proportion. And so you can't go just blowing up building after building with some unverified story that the spot might have been used by Hamas, at some point in time. There needs to be a clear substantial military advantage. And so far, I haven't heard anybody say what that is at all. Subsequently Israel can't go starving over 2 million people to death, make them drink contaminated water, deprive them from any kind of healthcare for the sake this is also hurting Hamas. And so subsequently at the bottom of the line it remains to be that what Israel does is utterly and utterly disproportionally, and that makes it a war crime. Such is international law.

You also might notice that suddenly all world leaders who are pro Israel switched their story to that the attacks on Gaza must be within proportion and within international law. They previously did not say that. That's the actually a disclaimer that the other countries (A) are compelled to say that if a party is breaching it and (B) for the sake that they now can not held partially liable over Israel breaching international law.

 

Yes-- please use the link at my post to go to my fuller post and snip, all about this (post #209, near the top of page 9): the LOAC (Laws Of Armed Combat), including the principle of distinction (of always being able to distinguish combatants from civilians) and the principle/rule of proportionality, which you begin to speak of, in your quote, above. I was merely reproducing part of that, here, for someone who had challenged what I'd said about Israel using an almost unique interpretation (Denmark is the only other country who does this-- but when was the last time, that came into play?), such that a residential building, with just a few enemy combatants, is not appraised in the standard way-- wherein the military advantage gained from the legitimate military target, if it was not at least equal to the collateral civilian death and property damage, in order to achieve it, would not be attacked-- but rather that whenever there is any military target, no matter how insignificant, within a residential building, Israel considers the entire building to be a military target. Therefore, by their reasoning, they need not calculate any "collateral" damage, to be weighed against the military advantage, that eliminating the target gains them.

This approach of Israel, is indicative of the reason for prudence, in not accepting Israeli claims, any more than Hamas contentions, at face value, on faith, alone.

 

It's hard to understand just how you can continue to push this tired lie. Israel hasn't been in the Gaza since 2005? Depends on which version of the truth you find more generous, so, as proposed in 2003, executed in 2004, it's super hard to continue to spout the BS that you do. Why do you suppose that you have to actively push this BS? After billions of dollars, what does Hamas have to show for it? Lots of rockets and guns, tunnels, but why are the citizens there still so impoverished? Oh yeah, cause Hamas never flowed the money to their citizens, and kept it to do their evil in the world. And this is you continuing to clap for it.