Automakers Wake Up to Reality on Electric Vehicles

Did you get your retribution fix with that gobildee-gook?

 

Did you get yours with yours?

 

That's alright but then don't you cry out loud when gas gets to $8 per gallon.

 

Oh, I seriously doubt I'll ever see close to that.

Maybe you're unaware, but if gas goes there, electricity will too.

Good luck with that.

 

Absurd. Driving up the price of used cars won't get anyone get anyone to buy an EV if they could afford a new car the wouldn't be trying to buy a used one

 

The big problem is no one wants the government to force them to buy one.

 

The usefulness of your opinion is only, beat on a race to the bottom by a useless electric vehicle

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

But that assumes there will be enough charging stations to go around. Or some way to rotate availability of the stations and assume the employee will be available to move his vehicle when charged and the next in line available to leave his work to move from non-charging parking place to charging station. Sounds like there's a potential for a massive FUBAR.

 

Maybe go put it in the imaginary outhouse you imagine we would still have.

 

BS. If we relied on leftist we would either be government workers or slaves.

 

And if an electric storm knocks out the power no one get home.

 

the single flaw for me is the "battery", in time, I am sure that will be fixed, but as of now, it's not

 

and if a storm hit, and you have no gas, you're not getting out of town.... we saw that happen, people that charged their cars overnight, had no issue evacuating

 

If you park you car in the garage with the tank sitting on empty you are an idiot.

 

Their isn't a damn thing early adapters can do about the shortage of lithium

 

many idiots out there, doesn't have to be on empty, when people mass flee, can be stuck in traffic

 

never said they could, future batteries will not be made of lithium - and an yother issue with be resolved and improved because of early adopters, long before mainstream joins in

 

You're absolutely right, but it can't be fixed. Electric motors are great because of the instant full torque like everybody raves about with EVs (their single standout feature that ICEs can't compete with), but the downside is also that instant full torque.

See power consumption rises as load increases. So the more work the motor is doing, the more electricity it's sucking up. And a battery can only hold so much energy. The more work the motor is doing, the faster it's sucking the battery dry.

This is very different than an ICE powertrain which modulates torque to meet demand, running the engine in an optimized fuel economy range.

Thus my F150 with a 5.0L and a 36 gallon tank has a lightly loaded range of 650+ miles. Towing a 5000 lb. trailer that range drops to maybe 500 miles. A Lightning EV truck has a max lightly loaded range of 300 miles. Throw the same trailer on it and that range drops to 80 miles. And there's nothing that can be done to fix that. Improve the battery and max range as much as you want, but load up the vehicle and the range drops like a rock.

Just a fact of electric motors. Sure, they can be big and powerful and work great- when tied to the grid anyways. But batteries kill the usefulness.

 

Put down the club, your straw man died last week.

 

early ice cars could not do what horses could, time will resolve that for EVs too

and yes, there may still be uses for ICE in future too

 

Maybe they can catch an electric trolley.

 

The quantity of vehicles that are sold based upon solid judgement and genuine utility is obviously and embarrassingly small. Little egos seem to need big engines and gargantuan proportions. Having "government" enforce tastes is distasteful, but at some point there is no separation between public safety and legislation. It wasn't the good will of 'Detroit' that got lead out of the air and reduced engine emissions. Mandating that electricity and batteries become the norm may not be realistic, but neither are the absurd quantities of oversized cars and trucks.

 

Construction and farm work...that's about 30-40% of the reason to own a pickup.

As far as commuting goes, there are several companies in my small little town of 5k people in which people commute 100 miles round trip just to work (to work and back to home). Several of those companies require traveling as part of the job.

As far as charging goes...I live in an apartment building. Rules are very strict and one of those rules is that we're not allowed to charge vehicles. A rule that came into effect 5 years ago. Mind telling me how I could charge an EV?

 

Yeah, that's the standard progressive answer to everything. "Nobody wants to do what we, the experts, tell them to do because the little people are just too stupid to breath".

We get it. But you're never going to force EVs on the major portion of the vehicle market that actually is used to doing work, physical work, for a living.

If you're a successful fascist and get ICEs banned and the automotive manufacturers destroyed with these dumb "forcing EVs" plans, they'll figure out a way to just endlessly remanufacture the existing good stuff while EVs die.

That's what us dummies are good at. Real good at.