Why Israel attacked Gaza?

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    I amazes me how quickly Jew hatred rises up around the world and grows so quickly. It's like a vicious beast. I have often wondered how it was possible that so many people could embrace such evil so thoroughly 80 years ago, and yet we're seeing it happen all over again in real time.
     
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    Christians could easily be targeted next. But wait… we have a nation founded on basic individual rights of religions freedoms (basic natural born rights of the individual) that are not ironically related to what’s happening in the Middle East.

    FWIW: I was raised Christian, but never understood hatred of Jews.
     
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    I'd ask myself why Hamas was stupid and evil enough to start a war by killing babies and slaughtering innocent people.
     
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    Deporting people based on their ethnic background is what the Jews did.
    And here you are inventing an excuse for war crimes.
     
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    Nope. I'm saying Israel has the right to self defense.
     
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    I don't care what your opinion is. You're free to point out where in the international law it says it's not a war crime when you ethnic cleanse civilians in the name of self defense.
     
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    We talked about it: Jew expelled SOME Arabs from territories they conquered and Arabs expelled ALL Jews from territories they conquered.
    Jews allows Arabs to be judges and to judge Jews - for example Arab judge sentenced Jewish president to jail:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Karra
    Sharia law does not allow non Muslim to judge Muslims.
    Jews elected an Arab woman as miss Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Raslan
    Arab in Palestine territory cannot elect a Jewish woman as mis Palestine, berceuse they expelled all Jews,

    On Oct 7 Arabs not only killed 1200 people, majority civilians, but also raped and kidnapped over 200 people, including a 9 month infant and kids less than 5 years old.
    I can only imagine morality of people who support Hamas.
     
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    You are reacting to:
    Deporting people based on their ethnic background is what the Jews did.
    And here you are inventing an excuse for war crimes.


    And your rant is not contesting this.
     
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    There is no ethnic cleansing, only callateral deaths in time of war.

    Do better.
     
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    Please read more careful my text:
    Deporting people based on their ethnic background is what the Jews did to some Arabs, deporting people based on their ethnic background is what the Arabs did to all Jews.

    And your rant as much as you can, but it will not change this true facts.
     
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    It is other way around: For Palestinians, Jews are not human, rather anti-humans. They see them like ISIS saw the infidels or the same as Nazi saw Jews.
     
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    If I was a Russian troll, I would love make Jews fight Ukrainians, for example I would take an Israeli children song where children are singing about destroying an enemy who constantly shoots rockets of Israel, kills and kidnap Israeli children, and hope that Israeli will show that Ukrainians also are singing about destroying an enemy in their popular songs or the national hymn.
    But I am not a Russian troll.
     
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    You're an 'israeli' troll. That doesn't makes things better. :(
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon#Egyptian_occupation
    All but about 1,000 of the town's residents were forced to leave by the time it was captured by Israeli forces as a sequel to Operation Yoav on 4 November 1948.[4] General Yigal Allon ordered the expulsion of the remaining Palestinians but the local commanders did not do so and the Arab population soon recovered to more than 2,500 due mostly to refugees slipping back and also due to the transfer of Palestinians from nearby villages.[4][8] Most of them were elderly, women, or children.[8] During the next year or so, the Palestinians were held in a confined area surrounded by barbed wire, which became commonly known as the "ghetto".[6][8][22] Moshe Dayan and Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion were in favor of expulsion, while Mapam and the Israeli labor union Histadrut objected.[4] The government offered the Palestinians positive inducements to leave, including a favorable currency exchange, but also caused panic through night-time raids.[4] The first group was deported to the Gaza Strip by truck on 17 August 1950 after an expulsion order had been served.[23] The deportation was approved by Ben-Gurion and Dayan over the objections of Pinhas Lavon, secretary-general of the Histadrut, who envisioned the town as a productive example of equal opportunity.

    The Jews ethnically cleansed during a time of war and subsequently it's a war crime. The fascist state arranged it all. And the children of those victims made Hamas to fight the endless racist oppression and fascist colonization of the state of Palestine. The way the Jewish state deliberately is depriving millions of Arabs from getting food, clean water and medical aid is simply genocidal. 100.000's of Jews are actively busy with this war crime. And you're a supporter of it online.
     
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    To use a word like "some" is just down talking when it was the very very fast majority of Arabs. I could also say Arabs ethnically cleansed some Jews in Algeria, while some remain to live there. And you're reacting to the point that the Jew did this. An other posters denies it. I do not agree since I am right. You agree with me that the Jew did this. That's all I care about.
     
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    The title of the thread does not ask,, "Why Israel Attacked Hamas and Hamas Uses Its Citizens As Shields To Deliberately Die".

    Its a headline that necessarily ignores the IDF is attacking Hamas and Gaza civilians die not because Israel attacks them but because as the IDF goes after Hamas uses those citizens as shields.

    The tactic of using Gaza civilians as shields works for two reasons:
    1-Hamas does not care about those lives and believes they all should die as martyrs for the Hamas religious belief that Muslims must wage war against Jews world wide until they are exterminated;
    2-idiots who know nothing about Hamas will not acknowledge 1 and only be too glad to spew out idiot tropes deflecting from what Hamas does.

    We have seen it on this and many other threads-people who refuse to discuss why Gaza civilians die because of what Hamas does. When they do that they empower Hamas to keep killing its own civilians.

    Look at how easy it is to manipulate these Hamas dupes. First they parrot that the IDF shelled a hospital which was blatantly proven to not have been done by the IDF. Not one of these shrills detracted their false allegations.

    Now we had these same dupes trot out there were no tunnels under Saifa or other hospitals and now those tunnels were clearly shown and not one dupe retracts their comments.

    The standard trope-they will repeat Hamas scripts but accuse anything shown by the IDF as lies.

    I do not come on here to cheer on Gaza civilian deaths. I come on here to challenge the misleading headline of this thread and the dupes who will not call out Hamas and hold them to blame for what they have done and demand they be disarmed and the UN demand they disarm.

    I fully expect arm chair experts who have never been to Gaza and Israel and take their freedoms, privileges and self entitlement for granted to cheer lead what Hamas is done thinking it makes them sanctimonious and morally superior to the IDF and caring about Gaza civilians.

    I am here to tell them directly-you are full of crap. If you cared about Gaza civilians each and every time one dies you would demand Hamas surrender and turn in its weapons. You will stop pretending they die for no reason other than the IDF acting for no reason to kill them posing like you care about them.

    You do not. You have abandon them and at this point the only hope Gaza civilians have is if the IDF once and for all removes Hamas from them.

    Debating and passing off falsehoods that Israel should not exist, Jews stole land from Palestinians to start a nation, etc., is a deflection. Its an attempt to justify deflecting from Hamas pretending Palestinians were never Jews who have lived in the same land as Muslim Palestinians uninterupted for 4,000 years and never stole land from anyone. It is a deliberate exercise in ignoring the history of the ME to revise it to justify trying to argue Israel must be erased as a Jewish state but there can be 14 Muslim states in the ME including Jordan a Jewish free Palestinian state that already exists.
     
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    Yes, I fully support Jews defending themselves.
     
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    If you want Israel to stop killing Palestinians then Palestinians have to stop killing Jews. Israel has the right to defend herself.
     
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    And, IMO, everyone should support the right of civilian refugees to flee unimpeded from a war zone.
     
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    The UN has always been a fundamentally corrupt organization. Its failure to set up humane refugee camps for the people of Gaza drug this crisis leaves the UN fully exposed. It is worthless, and abject failure.

    "UNITED NATIONS -- The United Nations quashed an investigation earlier this
    year into whether U.N. police were directly involved in the enslavement of
    Eastern European women in Bosnian brothels, according to U.N. officials and
    internal documents."


    "David Lamb, a former Philadelphia police officer who served as a U.N. human
    rights investigator in Bosnia until April, said that in February he began to
    look into allegations against six Romanian, Fijian and Pakistani officers
    stationed in the town of Bijeljina.

    The most serious charges, he said, were that two Romanian policemen had
    recruited Romanian women, purchased false documents for them and then sold
    the women to Bosnian brothel owners."
    WASHINGTON POST, U.N. Halted Probe of Officers' Alleged Role in Sex TraffickingLack of Support From Above, in Field Impeded Investigators, By Colum Lynch,
    Special to The Washington Post, Thursday, December 27, 2001.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ficking/2e2465f3-32b4-42ff-a8df-7a8108e4b9ee/
     
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    How Hamas and its allies have failed the people of Gaza:

    1. Hamas had a duty to remove its civilians from proximity to any military target before attacking Israel. Failure.
    2. Hamas has a duty to immediately release all the hostages. Failure
    3. Hamas has a duty to arrest and turn over its war criminals before the start of any negotiations for a truce or an end to the siege. Failure.
    4. Egypt and other sympathetic nations have a duty to have open their borders to non-combatant refugees. Failure.
    5. Egypt and all other sympathetic nations, the UN and other sympathetic humanitarian organizations should have offered to pay for and facilitate the evacuation of all non-combatants as soon as the attacks on Israel began. Failure.
    6. Egypt and all other sympathetic nations, the UN and other sympathetic humanitarian organizations should have started to create humane well supplied refugee centers on Day One. Failure.
     
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    I know you think you are right - there are people who think they are right because Jews have right to ethnically cleanse Arabs and not vice versa, there are people who think they are right because Arabs have right to ethnically cleanse Jews and not vice versa, there are people who think they are right because Arabs have right to kidnap Jewish infants and children and more. I think such people are wrong.
     
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    I agree - it is much more fun to be a Russian troll and to pretend being Ukrainians in order to seed hate between Israelis and Ukrainians than being an Israeli troll who tries to show true facts.
     

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