I lived in 3 countries and I heard children and not only children patriotic songs from 3 different countries. When an enemy attacks you country, the patriotic songs always talk about crushing and complete destroying your enemies, but such song are criticized only when Jews singing such songs. Nobody notice that the songs says: Another year, there will be nothing there And we will return safely to our home Within a year, we will eliminate them all And then we will return to plow our fields. Did you notice: Within a year, we will eliminate them all And then we will return to plow our fields. Of course you didn't notice, because according to Palestinian propaganda Jews want to conquer and rule Gaza! Did you try to understand why Israeli girls signed this bombs? What do you think, why? 1. Israeli girls without any reason want to kill innocent Palestinian people 2. Israeli girls thought bombs are candies 3. Israeli girls live under constant threat of Palestinians bomb and missiles. How many Hamas fighters died according to the trusted UN report? Israel warned that it will bomb norther Gaza and many Palestinians left, so flatted buildings are not exact correlation of thousands of civilian casualties. Yes, the possibly of the erroneous report about the hospital can easily be explained, but did they correct numbers of supposed civilian casualties done by Israel? I never saw a number of 'civilian casualties done by Palestinians'. Yes, the NY Times was fast accusing Israel, but lately the change mind. If there is a controversy about whose missile hit Al-Ahli hospital - the victims should not be accounted to Israel or Palestinians. No, I didn't say it, I just pointed to a TRUE FACT, that an Israeli who oppose Israeli government position can criticize Israeli narrative (and there are many Israelis who do it), but a Palestinian in Gaza who tries to oppose Hamas will dead before he finish his sentence. And how UN getting its information? My guess is they are getting this info from Palestinians (Hamas or people who are afraid of Hamas). I know it is good enough for you and for other people like you. Did you ever ask yourself how come only civilians are dying and ZERO Hamas fighters died? I never said that the number is significantly lower - I just don't Hamas supplied numbers and don't believe that all dead people are civilians and ZERO Hamas fighters. You probably never served in the army or you don't know what years of preparations can do. if ISIS in Mosul had underground tunnels which allows them to leave surrounded buildings and to appear behind attacking forces, if they had the same training and moderns arms as Hamas, civilian and US army causalities would be totally different. Yes, civilian causalities are high from 2 reasons: 1. civilians did not leave their houses - in Israeli press there are reports and interviews with Palestinians which claim that Hamas prevents them from leaving Gaza 2. Instead of using home to home fight, which will give huge advantage to Hamas - Israeli decided to save soldiers lives by totally destroying any buildings from which Hamas can shoot of Israelis. QUOTE="DEFinning, post: 1074529790, member: 85218"] And you still haven't addressed my point about the unlivable condition of the camps, to which Israel is sending civilians. To whom, they are still restricting water-- even in southern Gaza.[/quote] I agree - Israel should help these camps. Israel explains it that it will help Hamas too, who will still food and fuel needed to push air to underground tunnels. I was talking about human reaction and not about government reaction. Demonstrations against non-Jews killing non-Jews or non-Jews killing Jews are much smaller the demonstrations against Jews killing non-Jews. No, you didn't debunk my arguments - in my example I specifically selected cases where non-Jewish COUNTRIES are killing their own citizens or non-Jewish citizens of different COUNTRIES.
Mass murder en passant? It isn't "their fields". It's fields on stolen land. And 'israel' isn't a nation, but a criminal organisation.
Nope. Not stolen land, conquered land. Palestinians try over and over to destroy Israel, kill the Jews and occupy "from the river to the sea." And then cry like litte girls when they get their a$$es kicked. How about this, learn to live in peace with neighbors.
This IDF militant blew up an entire block in Gaza and went live on social media. "Now we'll take revenge on them and blow up their houses!" Rashad Alhindi @ralhindi.bsky.social on X: ""Nun rächen wir uns an denen und sprengen ihre Häuser in die Luft". So sprengte ein israelischer Besatzungssoldat einen ganzen Häuserblock in #Gaza in die Luft und ging damit live auf den sozialen Medien. #StopGazaGenocide https://t.co/HNKTFhIffV" / X (twitter.com)
Zionists don't just commit crimes in Gaza. America is not safe from them either. Stop Zionist Hate on X: "“I hope your baby burns in an oven” A Zionist hate crime occurred in Brooklyn yesterday when a woman threw hot coffee at a man and told him his baby should burn in an oven, all because he wore a Palestinian scarf (Keffiyeh). https://t.co/TvVz1d05Dz" / X (twitter.com)
BREAKING NEWS: The Israeli - Hamas ceasefire/pause/temporary truce and prisoner exchange-- which President Biden assisted in negotiating, and got better terms for Israel, according to official Israeli sources-- was just approved by Netanyahu's cabinet, by a wide margin. It now only needs pass the legislature (I believe). But the higher percentage of hard-liners, were among Bibi's Ministers-- so passage looks very likely. https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-21-23/index.html The details are reportedly 50 Hamas hostages, all women & children, will be released over a 4 or 5 day period. In exchange, Israel will release 150 Palestinians in Israeli jails, also all women & youths. A surprising, & interesting bonus, offered by Israel, is their offer to even extend the cease fire, by an extra day for every 10 more hostages that Hamas releases. Reportedly Hamas has expressed a willingness to find, specifically, more children, to be released. There are reportedly 240 hostages, or thereabouts, held by Hamas. So, assuming this deal goes through, there would still be another 190. If the legislature passes the deal, there will first be a 24 hour period allowed for any Israeli victims, of any of the prisoners slated to be part of the release, to bring an objection to the Israeli Supreme Court.
This is a mistake. Israel should continue to press Hamas relentlessly until the organuzation no longer exists. I understand Israel is in a tight spot because they value human life while Hamas doesn't, but this will end up being incitement for the enemy to continue their vile murderous ways. The ultimate showdown is still in the future.
The airspace was occupied as well as their sea, and the border between Egypt and Palestine was occupied. With that, they turned that place into a gulag as an occupying force as the occupying force.
I do support Israel and Israel's government is not fascist. Israel's government is democratic, the only democratic government in the Middle East.
To colonize the West Bank and East-Jerusalem for the sake to expand your Jew state at the expense of Arabs through murdering and terror, is just fascist. The same can be said about the Jewish state deliberately depriving millions of people from food, water and aid. The South African during the apartheid era was also democratic. Same can be said about the US during the Jim Crow era. It means nothing.
The Jews did it to the ancestors of people who are running Hamas. And the Jews are doing this in the West Bank as well as in East-Jerusalem. It's a religious calling for Jews to do.
Thanks for sharing D I read what you did. D you will excuse me D but 90% of Hamas still exists as well as 70% of its tunnels. It for sure will use the ceasefire to regroup. What happens now in the South is the question. The IDF is now faced with the next part of its mission and this one will cause many deaths of Israeli soldiers as the battle focuses into the South. Egypt will not let Hamas flee into their country. They might not be able to stop it but this is far from over. Hamas crossed a line that does not allow Israel to walk away now. This is an interlude to make specific politicians feel good. Hamas could care less other than the need to regroup. Its chain of command was severely disrupted so it now needs an interlude to find people to send back to lead cells where no leaders currently exist with new plans to fight the IDF. Hamas relies on all its tunnel tactics from Hezbollah. Hezbollah many people do not know has many engineers. They borrow their tunnel tactics from Ho Chi Minh only the Hezbollah tunnels are larger and well constructed often with railways to transport heavy equipment and missiles and it is far harder to detect them than people think. You can plug the entrances to then collapse them but suffocation or flooding is not as easy as it looks. These are intricate well built mazes of honey combs with subtle air shafts. Hezbollah are highly intelligent and educated. Hamas relies heavily on angry non Palestinian Muslims from many countries recruited to fight but have no formal education, just religious indoctrination so they are willing to blow themselves up, kill civilians, engage in suicidal manouvers but in regards to long range tactics they do not understand nor do they care about modern weapons. The average Hamas fighter only needs a knife, rifle and explosives. The rest they can improvise. The missiles they shoot come from Hezbollah, North Korea, Iran, Russia and they have to rely on people from those countries o r Hezbollah to show them how to use them. Missiles actually is not their preferred weapon, terror attacks are. They are about terror attacks on the ground. Missiles to them are simply posturing and ineffective. Missile firing is a Russian-Iranian-Syrian-Turkish preference. The irony is Kurds and Israelis are the mostly likely to have missiles shot at them and both don't much get intimidated by them. I know Kurds. I know Israelis. Missiles disrupt their lives, might scare their children and animals, may kill, but they sure as hell do not scare them anymore. They are past that. Missiles and bombings did have a devastating psychological impact in Syria, Lebanon. Has it traumatized Gaza civilians. Not the way Westerners understand. They get warnings so its a different kind of trauma. They have more time to worry and run then a surprise attack. So the trauma is not the same as from an instant around the corner ground attack by surprise. In the long run the psychological damage appears similar but it is not. Once you witness a physical assault it has a different impact than say loud explosions not specific to a person. One has a face and one does not. The faces stay in your brain and so are easy to see in other faces. The more abstract bombing trauma turns into a generalized anxiety disorder where any loud sound triggers it. From what I know trauma of in person attacks and witnessing deaths is harder to help people manage. I can tell you once someone has come up on you, you never sleep with your back turned to a door, sit in front of windows or with your back to any entrance and you sure as hell do not sit with anyone behind you or like standing in lines or close to anyone. I have worked with young kids on loud noise...but the trauma from face to face, you ask a cop, an emergency room physician, a soldier, its just in you. It never leaves. I myself have 3 dogs to deal with it. I like animals. They form barriers for you to keep people at a distance. My dogs are gentle but you can't just walk in on me. My previous dogs, cat, crow, goat same way. The best for trauma are horses. Never met a horse that did not understand trauma. I worry about the next chapter in this damn conflict for soldiers, civilians. I hate watching. These days the only people who get me on this topic are vets, police, firefighters, nurses, people who work with traumatized animals or people. I will never speak for an Israeli or Palestinian. Only they can. I feel Israelis are dying to keep me and all Jews safe so I have an emotional gratitude I can not properly express but it does NOT mean I hate Palestinians at all. It means I hate Hamas and everything it stands for including its war on Jews and using its innocent people to die for this. Any blood of the innocent is the same colour and wasted. Young men and women must now die. I am old and just sit and can do nothing. I hate it. I know American vets know what is making me unable to sleep. They know. Their presence now in the Middle East for people like me is the only thing that calms me down. I do not people get how dangerous Russia and Iran are at this time and how the battles in Ukraine and Israel are interconnected to the same missiles being shot.
This could get confusing, if you refer to me as just "D" since, following your only first letter model, I would call you "D," as well. Perhaps stretching my name to DEF, would not be too taxing, for you? Your post, at this midway point, has me scratching my head, about your opening line, "I read what you did." You follow that, by saying, essentially, that the war is not over. But if what you had thought what I had done, was to suggest that it was over, then you badly misread my post. While any of my posts should make this clear, I will state it unequivocally for you, in case you are confused: I have no sympathy for Hamas. I actually believe they are a bane on the Palestinian people, moreso than they have been, toward Israelis. In fact, Prime Minister Netanyahu has been quoted as saying that Hamas was beneficial, because as long as Palestinian leadership was divided, there would be no peace deal division of Israeli lands (which Netanyahu, clearly, has always opposed). It is also known, btw, that Netanyahu allowed in trunkfulls of cash, to Hamas. So it is Bibi, who has treated them as something of an ally. My own concern, in this current circumstance, is the welfare of the Palestinian people who are trapped between two military forces-- the IDF & Hamas-- neither of which seems to regard their lives as being of much importance. Unfortunately, I accidentally hit "post reply," so will need to pick this up, in a subsequent post. However, to finish explaining at least my post's basic motivation: it was to convey important news, which I thought would be of interest to those, reading the thread-- regardless of how they might interpret that news. I had not expected this cease-fire, myself; nor had I called for it. However, it should allow for some remediation of the dire circumstances which Israel has allowed to develop, for non Hamas, non combatants, caught in this fight.
@Death Continuing from my prematurely ended reply: I have said, from the point when I'd heard the Israeli death count had gone to 600, that Hamas was now toast, since Israel was sure to invade Gaza. So there is no reason for you to explain to me, that Hamas "crossed a line that does not allow Israel to walk away now." Like everything else in the part of your post I had quoted, this seems nothing but a non sequitur statement to me: I do not see what it has to do with my post, to which you were replying. You then move on to say, "This is an interlude to make specific politicians feel good." Question: do you, D, not find it a positive thing, to have 50 Israeli hostages released? I would guess, this will be greeted as a good thing, not just by the families of those hostages, but by the Israeli populace, in general. Regrettably, you did not specify who were those "specific politicians," to whom you were referring. But you are wrong, as I read your implication: as this being only about personal feelings. This is a victory in many ways, both with regard to the welfare of innocent human beings-- hostages, as well as Palestinian civilians-- as well as a public relations win, for both Israel and for Netanyahu, both of which, were sorely in need of one. The impression I had taken from the first half of your post, had been that you do not seem to include in your calculus, that Israel is a democratic country; that is, that the leader has an obligation to listen and try to attend, to the concerns of the citizens whom he is in office, to serve. Once more, I think the majority of Israel's people, will see the return of some of their hostages, as a good thing. That is a goal, in fact, which the government has often affirmed, to be a high priority. So, IOW, you are not clearly conveying whatever opinion you are trying to express. Are you saying, "F*** the hostages-- there should be absolutely no pauses in the fighting?" Do you see how that last sentence, is much more definitive, than your saying merely that Israel cannot turn back? What makes you think, that there is a chance that they will turn back? And what makes you think my post has anything to do with Israel turning back? Once again, we are of like mind, about Israel proceeding to eliminate Hamas; and you may be glad to hear that P. M. Netanyahu has stressed that Israel is still in a state of war, and that there has been no change in the objective of ridding themselves of Hamas. Where we may differ, is that I feel Israel should proceed, using a standard degree of caution, pertaining to collateral losses of civilian life. You may contend that Israel has been acting this way, but not a single nation on Earth-- not even Israel's steadfast backer, the United States-- agrees with that assessment. Since I have been dealing with a technical issue with the PF platform, since my last reply, I am going to cut this one short, as well, but on purpose. I will close by saying that there is no reason to believe that allowing a pause for hostage release and for humanitarian aid, must mean that Israel will be unable to finish the job, of eliminating Hamas (which seems to be your implication). In my last post's beginning of this reply, I had underlined, in your quote, your contradictory words, in trying to support this idea. At first you stress the pressing need of Israel to not slow its campaign because "90 percent of Hamas still exists." But assuming this is so, that would seem to belie your later claim, about how great an advantage, this pause in the fighting would bestow upon Hamas, when you say, "Its chain of command was severely disrupted, so it now needs an interlude to find people to send back to lead cells, where no leaders currently exist." Despite that the organization is 90% intact? You are suggesting that the 10% which the IDF killed, were primarily leaders? I am curious as to where you would be getting this information, as I do not think even the IDF, has such certain knowledge. The appearance, then, is that you are merely contriving any arguments that you feel support your desire, for the destruction of Gaza to continue, without mercy-- even though the vast majority of the people there, are not part of Hamas (and a few of them, are even Israel's own citizens).
@Death I finished reading your post, which has only left me less sure, of its main focus. It does make me wonder if I had misjudged the first part of your post. If it makes you feel any better about the message you conveyed at the end, about the danger of Russia and Iran-- -- here is a link to something I'd posted earlier, about the very thing you talk about: the links between Russia, Syria, Hezbollah, and Iran. The article, I cite, talks about declassified intelligence, that plans are in the works for Wagner group, at Russia's behest, to transport a Russian missile defense system, used in Syria, to Hezbollah. The article also talks about a U.S. concern that Iran is going to start supplying ballistic missiles, to Russia. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...llision-course.614327/page-27#post-1074532739
And some people didn’t think (or believe) my grandfather knew that the 3rd world war would be based on religious prosecutions as this is clearly antisemitic in origin.
