Idaho passes laws instituting death penalty for child rapists, outlawing AI-generated child pornogra

False. This is one of the more interesting and failed narratives. It's also a shortcoming of our scientific community in thier ability to communicate their findings.

History has demonstrated that capital punishment is a significant deterrent. Places that didn't tolerate theft for instance saw much less theft.

The human condition demands a check before every action of risk vs reward. It's inherent in who we are.

You are wrong.

 

Go ahead and add adult rapists and sex traffickers to the list too.

The only area where some distinction needs to be made is if we're talking statutory rape. Don't need some 18 year old kid getting the death penalty because they had sex with their 16 year old boyfriend/girlfriend.

 

Good point. As much as they deserve to be put to death, this would give them an incentive to kill their victims.

 

I believe all rapists should be put to death but this is a good start.

 

That’s pitiful to even assume that would be the case. People actually think this law will cause crime?

 

It is a reasonable assumption considering the people we are discussing. People are killed to prevent them from testifying.

 

Rape testifies on its own with DNA even years after. So it wouldn’t help anyway.

not to mention if that were the case why wouldn’t they kill them already?

You have to remember that most kids being raped at the ages they are speaking of happens from family. It also is absolutely disgusting to abuse a kid in this way. They deserve death period.

 

With current technology who’s been wrongfully executed? Decades ago there was some ****. NOW it would just be about pure corruption and evidence tampering, paid off DAs or police and activist judges.

And I’d need to see some very cut and dry evidence. No one getting killed over he said she said or a single person’s testimony. DNA evidence, witnesses. Solid logical and obvious undeniable facts.

Parkland shooter for example should have been under the needle in a week.

 

There are many unsolved missing person cases. No DNA, no testimony.

 

So you believe the American justice system is infallible and innocent people are never wrongfully convicted?

 

You make a good point.

 

NOTHING is infallible. But who’s been put to death for a recent crime that was totally fabricated? Totally innocent dude? Did NOTHING. Just plucked off the street?

When it comes to the DP, if a crowd of people watch you shooting people AND you admit it, you should be put down in a week. If theres video of you shooting a cop from the dash cam after a routine speeding ticket, DP in a week. You’re caught with photos of you doing sexual things to kids, they find DNA in the kids and the kids all tell accurate stories with easily corroborated details, DP instantly.

There are MANY cut and dry cases that are unquestionable. VIDEO. loads of witnesses. DNA. Perfect use of the DP.

 

People are removed from death row after it is discovered that they are innocent on a fairly regular basis. On average this happens multiple times a year in the US, and yes sometimes it’s due to corruption or evidence tampering.

We can assume that unlike the conviction process, that the review process has been perfect, and has never missed the time window to have every innocent person removed from death row. However, it would seem far more likely that we sometimes miss that opportunity, and execute innocent people, because ultimately the justice system is imperfect, and always has been

The problem with the death penalty is it is a sentence that cannot be corrected once executed. Not only that, but when the process to execute someone is all said and done, we end up spending more on that individual inmate than we would if they were given a regular life sentence. On average, each death penalty inmate costs approximately $1.12 million

There are logical reasons for opposing the death penalty, but for me the thing that finally sealed my position on capital punishment is when I realized the primary arguments in favor of capital punishment were based on impulse rather than reason. Essentially, the main argument used in favor of capital punishment is the loss of satisfaction in not being able to execute people who are horrible

I can’t deny that I get satisfaction in executing certain people who have committed the worst crimes imaginable. However, I do not find it reasonable to base my entire position on the matter on those feelings alone. Whatever our emotions tell us, we should always let reason be our guide in matters of justice. When we let emotions be our guide, we enable ourselves to make more mistakes than we already would

 

My prime reason for the DP is removing horrible people from society and the earth quickly and cheaply. And the DP CAN be very cheap and VERY efficient.

And from brief perusing the most recent “mistake” was from over 20yrs ago. And Googling into the backgrounds of those mistakes, I haven’t seen a INNOCENT one among them. Mistaken maybe but innocent ANGLE who never did nuffin??? Nope. Not saying it hasn’t happened, a long time ago. But this ain’t Shawshank Redemption Hollywood **** happening NOW. Video tech and surveillance has come a LOOOOONG way. And as I stated there are no mistakes where there’s video AND DNA and admitting to the crime. There are so many murderers and violent rapists caught red handed, freely admitting what they’ve done spending LIFE costing tax payers millions when they can be ended with a .10 round or a cheap rope.

 

I know two girls who were molested as little kids. I have no problem with this law. Just wish it had been the law then....

 

That's way off, in the US there have been 196 exonerations from death row since 1973 to February 2024, with the most recent one being in 2023. The dude was on death row for 48 years before finally being exonerated. It definitely wasn't quick.. but if it was quick, we would have executed an innocent man, and several others for that matter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glynn_Simmons

Also, the death penalty definitely isn't a cheap solution. Again, on average we spend $1.12 per a death row inmate, and that's the lowest estimate. In some states the cost is known to exceeds $3 million for a single death row inmate. With that in mind, I would argue that a life sentence is the cheap and quick solution to removing horrible people from society, and if we make a mistake, we can correct that mistake. Once you wrongfully execute someone, you cannot correct that mistake ever.

 

I want to point out that I knew a man who was falsely accused.

Although a prosecutor declined to file charges, the allegation still followed him around and practically ruined his life, eventually driving him to suicide from all the shame.

A woman he had been in a relationship with coached her 4-year-old daughter to say that he had molested her. She did this because she was enraged that he was leaving her, and wanted to ruin his life and make sure no other woman would be with him. He left her after nearly 4 years because she was psychotic. She told him "If you leave me, I will make you regret it!"

She then hired a private detective and proceeded to track him down, telling anyone he knew, all his business clients, and any woman he was dating that he had molested her daughter. He kept on having to move trying to hide from her.

 

Then there are more complicated cases that are somewhere in a "gray zone" like this one:
Man sentenced to life in prison for sex with 13 year old

For that reason, I think there needs to be some discretion used and we shouldn't just automatically lump all these types of crimes in the same box.

In that story, they said the perpetrator "molested" the boy, but the man had sent him (real) pictures of himself through a gay sex hookup site and the boy had gone to meet him to have sex.

 

Maybe I'm just playing "devil's advocate" here, but I'm pretty Libertarian and am curious how anyone could view an artificial computer generated picture as "sexual exploitation".

Who exactly is being exploited?

 

For the AI part, I hope they take account that AI likes to make people look very young. I found that if you want someone to look 30 you have to put "50 yo" in the prompt.

 

You’re still talking OLD cases being corrected NOW, not recent cases being overturned. How about anything NEW ir recent? There aren’t any. And the cost of the DP is based on endless legal fees NOT the simple act of ending the person. STOP being disingenuous.

Explain how it’s a mistake when it’s a school shooter ON video running with the weapon and shooting people? Or when people get caught and admit it? Dad murdering his family with no alibi? Mom drowning her kids in a tub? Boyfriend pushing the girlfriend off a cliff? Guy getting caught with photos of him actually sexually abusing kids and then the kids describing exactly what’s in the photos? What’s the point of endless appeals when there’s nothing to appeal? You got caught red handed. You admitted it. It’s OVER. .22 round to the temple next week. It’s over and done. Simple. That is NOT more expensive than keeping someone alive for 50+ yrs. Sorry.

 

Most people who are exonerated from death row spend at least a decade in prison, and in many cases multiple decades. Out of the 196 people exonerated since 1973, only 17 of them took fewer than 10 years to be exonerated. As for the most recent conviction that lead to an exoneration, the answer is Ralph Wright who was convicted in 2014. There were also two more individuals exonerated who were convicted in 2013. The unfortunate reality is as long as the death penalty is a part of our system, people wrongfully put on death row is going to be a regular occurrence. It's also not a cheap solution to maintain this system, we're ultimately spending more on these inmates by keeping them on death row for so long than we otherwise would be if we gave them a regular life sentence.. but at the same time, if we sped up the process to have these inmates executed sooner, we would surely be executing many of these individuals who were wrongfully placed on death row and exonerated

As for the examples of crimes you described, I can only give an impulsive answer for why we should maintain the death penalty to execute these individuals, and that impulse line of reasoning is that it would be more satisfactory to kill the culprits you described than imprison them for life. I can't deny that I would get more satisfaction in seeing them dead.. however, logically speaking, I find it more problematic to maintain the death penalty as a part of our justice system than to do away with it entirely. It's not really a radical idea to do away with it, it's what most of the western world has already done. The countries that maintain it are mostly the authoritarian countries.

 

Those women do exist out there.