To all the border bellyachers out there, tell me what YOU would do, if YOU were President

Feed the brown bears?

I live in the middle of flyover country. Migrants have been a big part of our economy and “culture” for decades. Packing plants (beef mostly in my area) traditionally have been almost exclusively Mexican and South American migrant employees. That is changing. Now about half of packing plant employees here are migrants from Somalia and a few other African nations. But migrant agricultural labor outside of packing plants is still 95% Latino. The other 5% is white South Africans. The South African percentage is growing. They are the hardest working demographic currently. They are animals.

The problem is there are only so many jobs available in places like I live. And technology is decreasing need for labor. Migrant labor is vital, but we’ve had all we need all along. Adding millions that have no job prospects just isn’t feasible. There are no massive hotels the government can lease to house them, etc. We can and do absorb a few, but just couldn’t handle the numbers crossing the border now. Sanctuary

cities are now discovering what we’ve known all along. Immigration is good and necessary. But there is a point of diminishing returns. It’s not always “if some is good, more is better.”

Your idea has merit. Moving to Alaska and building log cabins while watching out for bears like our immigrant ancestors did isn’t exactly what these asylum seekers have in mind.

 

True. It isn't what they would prefer, but it's better than living in a war zone or under an oppressive regime out to kill them, etc.

There is plenty of unused land. Canada could participate as well, adding tons more land these people could live off of.

 

Sorry those graphs are NOT exponential.

No, the "reality" is immigration, from the South,is a problem, was a problem and will always BE a problem ... BECAUSE ... we ONLY see it as a problem.

Not really, the times graphs show that immigration WAS increasing before President Biden took office, in spite of tRaitor donald Jadrool tRump's brutality, and the rate of increase has actually gone down, recently, from where it was headed during tRaitor donald Jadrool tRump's administration.

Hint: reading graph's really isn't your strong suit.

 

Rubbish. It isn't 'complex' at all.

Post machine gun nests and mortar pits in popular crossing points, and move them frequently, to other points as needed. Ground attack aircraft are also very effective, as are minefields. Internally police can arrest any they find, and of course when employers and owners of companies and businesses who hire them start doing jail time, a lot of it will take care of itself. I would include shareholder owners as well, along with fines for hiring them parsed out over the shares held. Force Mexico to pay the costs of their policies on the U.S., from crime to welfare and enforcement costs.

 

The US loves to meddle in other country’s affairs. Too bad we can’t just make it safe for folks to live at home with their families and friends. But now I’m really straying off into fantasy land. LOL

 

Hmm. I am not sure I referenced any graphs when I stated that border crossings are up exponentially, but it is easy to find in graphed form. 404,000 border crossings in 2018, 859,000 in 2019, and 405,000 in 2020 under Trump. 1.6 million in 2021, and 2.2 million in 2022 under Biden.
U.S. border crossing encounters 1990-2022 | Statista

By any definition, that growth is exponential. Whether you understand that undeniable reality is irrelevant. Your ignorance of what constitutes exponential is NOT my emergency. You can wallow in that ignorance for all I care, it is no skin off my nose.

Hmm. I was responding to someone who had just claimed that the proportion of people being let in at legal points of entry is the same. I correctly pointed out that the reality is that the problem is not at legal points of entry, rather it is at points of entry that are not legal where the problem exists.

For you to correct that statement by talking about immigrations was, will and will always be a problem, is just in a word, nonsensical. It does not make a lick sense as a response to what was being discussed. Another accurate term would be non sequitur. It could also be argued to be a strawman where you are arguing against a point that has not been raised.

To state it briefly, this response is silly.

"Was" increasing? It was 959,00 in 2019 and 405,000 in 2020 under Trump. it was 1.6 million under Biden in his first year.That is roughly a 4 fold increase once Biden took office.

That is not an example of it increasing under Trump. It had just went down precipitously in 2020. I understand that 2020 was Covid, so you can at best only kind of sort of argue that it was increasing by using 2019 numbers. Once again, you need to look at what I was replying to. I was disputing his notion that things at the border had not changed, and the numbers clearly show a gigantic change.

There is nothing for you to say "NO" to. My statement was 100% correct. Even if we pretend like doubling the number from 2019 in 2021 is merely the continuation of a trend, that in no way supports the notion that numbers have not changed. Of course they have. With your logic, we could have a $1 trillion dollar deficit in year 1, and $1.3 trillion deficit in year 2, and then a 10 $trillion deficit in year 3, and they would apparently all be the same because it was already trending up.

Of course that is silly. Your claim does not make any sense. The doubling of a number, even in the midst of an increasing trend, does NOT mean that numbers have not changed, which was the concept I was arguing against.

Your position is nonsensical and you probably need to realize just because you project condescension, in no way actually means you have earned the right to do so.

 

No, no it's not.

An exponential curve approaches vertical; none of the graphs you link are anything near exponential.

It's not nonsensical to recognize that we've always viewed immigration from the Southern boarder as a problem. But looking back over the last 100 years what "I" see is a GREAT reliance on migrant labor in many of our industries. Agriculture, hospitality, construction, food service - to name a few - are highly reliant on immigrant labor and have been ALL of my life. The fact is, the TRUTH is, U.S. is very fortunate to have this source of cheap labor, both skilled and unskilled, when much of the world is facing labor shortages ac cross the board and THEY have no ready source of willing even desperate workers.

America needs to rethink how we are treating these people and embrace them as assets and tax payers that they are or could be.

The rest of your post was flamebait that I will not respond to.

 

Haha. Are you joking?

For starters, exponential growth means that something is going up at an increasing rate. Nothing more and nothing less.

You have wholly fabricated the "must approach vertical to be exponential cannard". All that statement proves is that you do not understand graphing at all. You can take the exact same data and depending on what values you put on the x and y axis, you can make that graphed data be close to flat or almost vertical.

In laymen's terms, if you break out the y axis by tens, you can make the graph more vertical then if you decide to break out the y axis by hundreds, in which case that same data will be graphed as basically flat. This decision has zero bearing on whether something is exponential.

Im sorry, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

It IS nonsensical when you are responding to a post refuting someone else's notion that the problem is about legal points of entry when it is actually about illegal points of entry. In that context your reply was nonsensical. It was a strawman. It was a non sequitur. It was nonsensical.

Context is everything.

 

But the graphs you linked are linear NOT exponential.

 

I have already explained this, but I will try again in simpler terms because it is apparent that you do not understand. Graphing which is a function of what units are used on the x and y axis, has no bearing on what is or what is not exponential.

What determines exponentially is whether or not the data goes up at an increasing rate. People can choose to graph the exact same data however they choose. They can take the exact same data and make that graph flat or nearly vertical. This changes nothing.

Not that vertical is required, but I had already provided you with this graph that is in fact nearly vertical. So even if your must be vertical cannard were true ( which it is NOT), I have shown you a nearly vertical graph of this data.
U.S. border crossing encounters 1990-2022 | Statista

If I were you id just let this conversation fade into oblivion. It is not a good look for you. You can't recover. Your "must approach vertical to be exponential" claim does nothing other than reveal your gross ignorance of graphing.

 

The more you do the more you prove yourself wrong.





That is a linear graph, you can tell that because of the LINES.




The green is an "exponential" curve; the red is linear ... kinda like the graph you linked.

 

You still don't understand that the units chosen to represent the x and y axis determines slope concept do you? It obviously goes right over your head.

Oh well, it looks like trying to teach you this principle is a lost cause. It does not matter because everyone else sees your obvious error. It's like you are playing liars poker and sitting there with a 2 on your forehead and insisting that you are going to win.

People are giggling and you just don't understand why. Poor guy.

 

You still don't know the difference between linear and exponential ... do you. (period ... not a question)

I'm done ... good bye!
Dissss .... missed!

 

LOL...On the bright side, maybe there is someone else as ignorant as you on the subject who has been fooled by your posturing. Hope springs eternal I suppose.

 

I guess if you can't read a graph there is no bright side ... for you!
I'm done ... good bye!
Dissss .... missed!

 

Bless your little heart

 

Why thank you! It's been fun holding school for you but... gotta run!

 

Thank you for illustrating the notion that ignorance is bliss!!

 

I couldn't have hoped for a better example than you, to illustrate that point.