Attempted Suicide Rates More Than Double After Gender-Reassignment Surgery: Study

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    For the first study, I'm using the same link that is in the OP article. As I've stated several times. That's my source. Yes, you missed it. As for the second study, I provided a link. Yes, you missed it. But, admittedly, it wasn't a very good link, so I just recently provided a better one.
     
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    Sorry I don't you how ever seem uninterested in helping them if it doesn't benefit the medical industrial complex to the tune of several million a year aggregate.
     
  3. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    You have no interest in helping them. You are fine with the government using their authoritarian power to stop patients, their guardians (in the case of minors), and their doctors make their medical determinations.

    You have no interest in their health. You seem uninterested in addressing them in any way that doesn't benefit the far right nanny state.
     
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    What disposes you to image that medical expertise, as represented by the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, etc., is inferior to that of authoritarian politicians with no medical qualifications?

    Do you suspect that other medical disciplines - cardiology, oncology, gastroenterology, etc. - are also "based upon politics"? (I recognize that politicians' positions are "based upon politics.")

    Of course, medical science is continually advancing, based upon research and the analysis of accrued data:

    A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, hormones, and/or puberty blockers. Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment; however, the literature to date suffers from a lack of methodological rigor that increases the risk of type I error. There is a need for continued research in suicidality outcomes following gender-affirming treatment that adequately controls for the presence of psychiatric comorbidity and treatment, substance use, and other suicide risk-enhancing and reducing factors. There is also a need for future systematic reviews given the inherent limitations of a narrative review. There may be implications on the informed consent process of gender-affirming treatment given the current lack of methodological robustness of the literature reviewed.
    Any such data must include studies that find gender-affirming surgery to be efficacious, of course;
    I don't think that politicians' agendas should be allowed to pervert medical science in any medical discipline.
     
  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh.. now we have to start going around the globe, or biblical times attempting to showcase supposed persecution that justifies US social and political agendas. Very telling.

    Because I, like many people, don't believe mutilation of children or chemical treating is "caring" at all, which brings us back to the study in the OP.

    Is it actually helpful? Is it the right treatment based on facts?
     
  6. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, if the AMA or Physchiatric Association found willing patients that wanted to have experimental lobotomies performed on them, or electro shock therapy.... which often resulted in death, it shouldn't be questioned or challenged?

    Careful here, there is historical precedent.
     
  7. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    Define mutilation. Would you say that the removing of any healthy tissue for reasons other than threat to health or life would be mutilation?
     
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    Electro shock therapy is actually still in use. Not for all the things that it used to be used for, but it is still in use.
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsive-therapy/about/pac-20393894
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, here I am, amongst a distinct minority.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're right. That's why I used the word correlate. English is my primary language.

    So my mind is not yet made up, but the correlation does contribute to the mounting evidence showing aluminum and mercury adjuvants to be quite harmful to humans.
     
  11. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course not. I have a healthy skin tag on my leg that needs to be removed. Or removal of excess skin following dramatic weight loss, or for cleanliness or hygien purposes.

    Cutting off healthy skin for mental health... that doesn't make sense.
     
  12. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    Simply because something doesn't make sense to you, does not mean it doesn't make sense.

    But let's take it a step further. Do you feel it makes no sense to use drugs to treat various mental health issues?

    Also you failed to define mutilation.
     
  13. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it just doesn't make sense. We gotta stop with all this subjective, shades-of-grey, alt-facts way of thinking. It's detrimental to society.

    For example, lets assume some person believes in their head that their legs are damaged and do not align with their mental state of a disabled person. Should we allow doctors to just amputate their legs in the name of mental health? Should insurance pay for it? Should children be allowed to make that decision?

    its all silliness.

    Sometimes.

    Certain situations.

    The world is not black and white to serve your argument.

    Do i think its acceptable to prescribe opiods to treat withdrawl and addiction. No.

    Do I think it's OK to prescribe Xanax to address anxiety and panic attacks. Absolutley.


    I'm sure you have access to a dictionary.
     
  14. Maquiscat

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    And yet you argue later in your post that it's not black and white. Reality is there is far more that is subjective, even if a given view is collectively held by a given society or segment of society, while not held by others.

    What makes this all the more interesting is that amputation is actually used with the most extreme cases of body dysmorphia, and has worked. Again, it's only the most extreme cases, but that still parallels with the fact that not all GD cases need to go full out with GCS. As far as children, surgery is only an option in....oh what a surprise....the most extreme cases. And even in the normal cases that warrant performing GCS, the process takes years and the actual surgical part is towards the end, such that even trans kids starting the overall process in their mid too late teens end up not getting to the surgical part until after they are adults.

    And here I could have swore that you said it's not subjective and shades of grey.....oh wait...you did.

    And yet at one point we did think it was acceptable and even beneficial to do so. And we then learned better. Just as we learned better with GD treatment and what and how to do it.

    And again, that wasn't always the case. Pointing out where we did things one way, and then discovered a different way that worked better, only highlights our treatment of GD. And I fully believe that eventually we will discover a way to align the mind to the body without the damages that current attempts to do so cause. But until then, we go with what actually works.


    Indeed, but violent and disfiguring are very subjective terms, so what I want is your definition.
     
  15. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Between the two of us, I'm the ONLY one who has been willing and able to discuss the study in the OP. Feel free to rectify that at any time.
     

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