Attempted Suicide Rates More Than Double After Gender-Reassignment Surgery: Study

I think most people respect others right to self identify however they see fit. Where they draw the line is when people tell them, out of respect, that they must also identify them how they see fit.

You do realize that at one point the medical consensus was that smoking is good for you, right?

So, we shouldnt look at the statistics of such recognition of the medical associations position?

This is an avoidance of the topic. I have never said i dont respect them, nor have i said i disagree with the medical association.

I have however claimed that gender dysphoria is a mental health condition and statistics show that gender tranisiton as a means of treatment results in higher likelyhood of suicide.

Should we just ignore these statistics to comform with your position?

Ah, so your taking your position from that of supremacy. It's not that I am challenging the medical associations recommendations based on statistics.... it's some boogeyman about an ulterior motive of control.

So, youre willing to sweep the statistics and facts under the rug to push a narrative that prevents the dogma... because of the boogeyman you created.

Um.. ok.

So back to those facts?

 

You're ignore statistics.

I'll take stats and facts over an MD's medical opinion anyway. Yes. Absolutley.

 

You answered it?

To my question, when did this persecution occur, you respond "See most of human" history.

And you think that was a valid response that proved anything?

It was a deflection, for which you promptly put on a pedestal and claimed victory.

Show me examples, tell me when this persecution existed.

Fact is... you can't. Like most times, you created a victim group to rally around to protect them from the boogeyman you created in your head and when asked to provide examples.... you got nothing.

 

Ok. So these statistics DO matter. Right?

 

You might want to try reading what I've already covered. I didn't disagree with the statistics. I just pointed out the author of the linked article was outright lying about them. Even the author of one of the studies has said that this interpretation is incorrect and that, in fact, her data shows the opposite is true since 1989.

 

Dude, cross dressing has been illegal in many places throughout many, many times in history. Including in the US. If you want to pretend not to know that, I don't think you are here for an honest discussion. Even the Bible outlaws wearing the clothes of the other sex, man.

 

You're ignoring my posts. I addressed the stats directly. Try reading. It helps. Even one of the authors of the studies you are appealing to says you are full of ****.

 

Sorry, man. I didn't mean to imply I thought we were going to disagree, and I doubt we will from what you are sharing so far. I just saw you mentioning those studies and wanted to give you a heads-up. The article does a good job of hiding the relevant details.

 

Or not.

 

Just to clarify your position, do you believe that people whose physical attributes are divergent from their gender identities should be denied the freedom to seek medical care to redress their dysphoria by politicians?

 

From the rest of the research on this thread and the blatant way the two studies have been proven to have been blatantly misrepresented by the article, that sure looks like the best available answer.

 

That called an excuse they are getting treated the same way before an after the surgery by the same set of people. The people claiming what you say stand to lose a crap load of money if the story is true.

 

You are switching goalposts. I said trans people may suffer depression because of social factors. There is plenty of research showing that acceptance and social support is the most important factor in trans mental health. Several articles have been offered. I've offered a few. @Maquiscat has posted better ones. Meanwhile, you've offered nothing.

By the way, why did the main stat that the article is flaunting disappear after 1989?

 

By the way, @garyd . Try looking at the first study they link to. Do the math yourself. According to the numbers provided, 96.74% of the participants did NOT have an increase in suicide attempt risk. The author tricked you into ignoring those by cutting out everyone in the study that neither attempted suicide before nor after surgery, which is the vast majority. Seems like more than just an oversight. That's outright dishonesty.

You might want to check out those stats too, @Steve N

 

I have provided the statistics that show the exact opposite. Should we just ignore these statistics to conform with your position?

 

I was finally able to get in to see the study that you linked. It is important to also note this part...

"Recent attempts to test the theory that gender-affirming surgeries are associated with better mental health outcomes among transgender and gender diverse people have yielded mixed results. A 2010 meta-analysis of 1,833 transgender and gender diverse people across 28 studies concluded that there was “low-quality evidence” that gender-affirming surgery would result in positive mental health outcomes. Although a 2019 study of 2,679 transgender people demonstrated an association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced utilization of mental health treatment, a correction to the study issued in 2020 reported no mental health benefits after comparison with a control group of transgender people who had not yet undergone surgery."
New Study Shows Transgender People Who Receive Gender-Affirming Surgery are Significantly Less Likely to Experience Psychological Distress or Suicidal Ideation - Fenway Health

According to your link, the results have been mixed while it simultaneously presented a study that showed a significant reduction in mental health outcomes. This is why I am a little skeptical of most of the data on the subject. One can hunt and peck for whatever conclusions they want to claim. In that environment, I am particularly skeptical of self reported claims.

 

You might try backing up your claims.

Did you source this?

 

So... how far back do you have to go to prove this persecution that you claim validates your defense?

We are going to go back to Bible times to defend current transgender issues?

 

Weird.

I couldn't find your link to a source backing up your claims.

http://politicalforum.com/index.php?search/71471272/

Did I miss it?

 

Not at all.

I question if the current medical recommendations are actually based in science, or rather based on politics.

 

From your article:

The study uses data from the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey (USTS) conducted by the National Center for Transgender Equality


And now, the report isn't even viewable on their website.

This is the reason so many people doubt "science". It's largely politically driven.

In any case, I'll frame judgement from all sources, this included... if I could read the report.

 

But cross dressing isn't necessarily about gender dysphoria in fact most cross dressers aren't at all confused as their sexuality. They just get a bit of a thrill from wearing the clothes of the other sex. You should really strive to seperate your fetishes.

 

I did back up my claims. This is why I asked you to read the thread. Here's a better link, along with a quote from the author of the study:

"The study as a whole covers the period between 1973 and 2003. If one divides the cohort into two groups, 1973 to 1988 and 1989 to 2003, one observes that for the latter group (1989 – 2003), differences in mortality, suicide attempts, and crime disappear."

 

Are you saying Biblical law would have made this distinction? Are you saying that Israelites were cool with it as long as you were truly trans? You should really stop fetishizing trans people and strive to separate ahistorical bull **** from your arguments.

 

You could go to the murdering of trans people in places like Brazil, or anti-LGBTQ laws passed in other countries like Uganda. Or you could look at the way that trans youth are being denied care through government authoritarian decree.