Is abortion really that bad?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Artythizza, Feb 20, 2011.

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Are you for, or against abortion?

  1. For abortion.

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  2. Against abortion.

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    56.9%
  1. Otter

    Otter New Member

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    How is using coins propaganda? Explain that to me.

    And how can you say that a 10 week old fetus is a 'blob' - when you know it has arms & legs? Really? Did you not see this picture I posted before?

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    And just because a 2d ultrasound gives a poorer image is a very good reason to use the 3-4d images I provided - so you have a more accurate idea of the size & shape of the unborn baby. Why would you NOT want the most accurate information, except perhaps to mislead someone?

    Don't revert back to mindless parroting of abortion dogma. You KNOW better.
     
  2. Mr. Harris

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    I respect your view, but I disagree. Abortion isn't a religious matter. It comes down to a matter of individual responsibility for ones actions. If you have sex you must be ready for all that comes with it. If someone truly cannot take care of a child then adoption is always open for discussion. Abortion takes away a life.
     
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  3. Automaton

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    I have a semantics question. I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if it has been addressed, but why isn't there a poll option for "Against abortion, for a right to abortion," since that's the real alternative position to the against position?
     
  4. Automaton

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    Hey! Just wondering, if I made a sculpture of a human baby and filled it with unused stem cells, would smashing it be murder?
     
  5. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you think sex is for procreation only? That seems like a religious view to me.

    By "a life" do you mean "human being"?
     
  6. countryboy

    countryboy Well-Known Member

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    I have debunked your claim that most of the pics are fake in another thread. And yet you continue to spew this propaganda.
     
  7. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dr. Abigail Allen (Priests for Life) says it's a 10 week fetus, but another sources says this:

    The finger and toe notches on the hands and feet start to separate into webbed digits.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.pregnancycalendar1.com/pregnancy-calendar-week10.html

    The digits in the PFL photo don't appear to be webbed.
     
  8. Otter

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    Artythizza New Member

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    Saying that god says that killing is bad, and that abortion is murder, and a lot of stuff in that general area.
     
  10. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    YOU may consider you've debunked the claim, but I remain unconvinced.

    http://www.eileen.250x.com/Main/infrmdC/Ab_Pictures.htm

    A number of the pictures, to anybody who has actually seen fetal demise in the second or early third trimester are obviously purposely distorted. By this I mean that the head is too small and the trunk too well developed (they aren't mainly head with a very thin trunk, as they should be, but more in the proportions of a full term infant). For this reason I suspect some of them are outright fakes and a ready source of such fakes would be the manufacturer who supplies Heritage House and this model will show what I'm talking about. (check the prices on these items and you'll understand what I refer to as the Anti Abortion Propaganda Industry (AAPI).
     
  11. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Well your premise is pure nonsense, since society cares if someone murders someone else despite the fact that is doesn't affect them personally.
     
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    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    So murders we never hear about should be allowed?
     
  13. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    It is a perfect analogy because both a murder and an abortion are homicides.

    Based on some nonsensical arbitrary definition of "person" only.
     
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  14. Automaton

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    I suppose that we agree, then, that shape and form is irrelevant? So why is this being argued?
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    We don't hear about the vast majority of murders - you really think all those murders should be permitted?
     
  16. Otter

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    Considering you get your information from a pro-abortionist site, I am not surprised that you get faulty information, to push the abortion agenda. Try a non-biased site, that only gives out the biological facts:

    http://www.ehd.org/prenatal-images-index.php

     
  17. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This discussion is about abortion pictures. And whether they're REALLY abortion pictures.
     
  18. Otter

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    The pictures I posted are authenticated by a ME. Unfortunately, it is all too easy to find fetal remains from abortions:

    http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/local&id=7748256

    Fetus Found in Dumpster

    17 Aborted Fetuses Discarded In Dumpster
     
  19. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe not that easy:

    Articles 1 and 3, the same case, refer to fetuses ALLLEGEDLY found in a dumpster, by a "pro-life group." Anybody suspicious yet?

    Article 2 refers to a fetus which may be been a miscarriage OR an abortion, but was not near an abortion clinic, sooooo what is your best guess?

    There have been a lot of "dumpster babies" since the parental notification and parental permission laws were passed. Seems that if a young woman is determined not to tell her parents about a pregnancy, she will find a way around it.
     
  20. Otter

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    Let's give the full story, shall we OKG?

    From article #1:

    So the police ALSO found medical waste - nice 'unemotional' way to call the remains of unborn babies - and medical records from the abortion clinics.

    As to article #3:

    Why should we be suspicious? This is commonplace abortion mill procedure.

    Heck at the Philly abortion mill/mass murder sitethey found this, according to the AG:

     
  21. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are laws in place about medical waste disposal, although the article indicates that those laws were not broken. Certainly breaking those laws is a news event. There is no evidence that pictures from these alleged criminal scenes were used as anti-abortion propaganda. Get over it, anti-abortion propaganda pictures are misleading at best. When over 90% of abortions are done, the picture would just be a spoonful of goo. You have to resort to stillbirths to get a picture that has sufficient emotional appeal to impact. And that's just not honest.
     
  22. Otter

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    What you conveniently forget is that by 9 weeks - bone development has started. That's why you will see the tiny arms and legs of aborted fetuses intact...even though they were ripped apart by the abortionist.

    [​IMG]
     
  23. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you forget is that the part that makes us "human", the brain, has barely begun development then. Without the brain, bones and blood are just animal parts.
     
  24. Otter

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    That is another debate. I thought you were questioning abortion photos.
     
  25. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, the abortion photos are misleading and dishonest, there's no question about it.
     

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