‘No short cut’ to Mideast peace, Obama says on Palestinian bid for statehood

'U.S. President Barack Obama told the United Nations on Wednesday that the Palestinians deserved a state of their own, but that this would only be achieved through talks with Israel.

“I am convinced that there is no short cut to the end of a conflict that has endured for decades. Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the UN,” Mr. Obama said in a speech to the UN General Assembly.'...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...palestinian-bid-for-statehood/article2174354/

 

'“I am convinced that there is no short cut to the end of a conflict that has endured for decades. Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the UN,” Mr. Obama said in a speech to the UN General Assembly.'


And what if Israel never agrees to a Palestinian state...you AIPAC-coddling wimp?

 

With my jewish hat on:

As long as we the jewish people control the airwaves of broadcast media and the entertainment industry. We here in NYC will continue to own th president and the USA. If the president abides with our demands, he will be given a good showing on our news. In addition, he must raise more money for us broadcasters than the republicans. We are confident Obama will raise the bar when it comes to raising money for campains. Why? because the campain bucks stops here at the broadcast CEO's desk. Some may call us isreal sympathizers, others will call us the liberal media. But what they don't know is we tell them what to buy, and how to think. Wag the dog.

 

The Palestinian bid for statehood is not about making a short-cut to peace; it is about improving the Palestinians bargaining position and their international legal status. Right now Israel has very little incentive to bargain with the Palestinians (the longer they wait the more Palestinian land they can gradually turn into Israeli land).

The United States can also pretend to be an honest broker while remaining very biased in favor of Israel as long as the Palestinians cannot have access to international courts and tribunals. Several of the Israel legal decisions in recent years are very threadbare when it comes to both American and international law and would probably not stand up to a legal challenge,

I thought it took near-equal status to make a just and lasting peace. How often do the conquered negotiate successfully with the conquerors (note I am not talking about victors in a war but actual conquerors)?

 

No short cut means that Obama must recognize and accept both nations while working towards long-term peace. Recognizing and accepting both nations certainly won't instantly reduce every problem, but such provides a better framework for a long-term solution.

 

Wrong, it is all about doing the right thing, even though the Muslims control 50% - 75% of the world's and the USA oil supply, wars, and continuing threat and blackmail against the Israel, USA and allies the USA is doing all these because IT IS THE RIGHT THING.

Palestinian Authority and their allies must recognize Israel and cease supporting terrorist organizations such as Hamas, Hezbullah, Taliban, al Qaeda, Muslim Brotrherhood etc. etc.

 

Hypocrisy clothed in pragmatism. He's finished.

 

For the last 63 years it's the arabs (including the arabs of Palestine) who don't agree to a jewish state, not the other way around.

 

A 'jewish State ' could not be a democratic State. 25% of Israelis are NOT jewish. In addition, international law demands that the Palestinian refugee diaspora be permitted to return to their homes, if they so choose. Such a demographic shift makes a nonsense of the notion of a ' jewish State '.

 

Well then, when you get praise from a neoZionist fascist like Lieberman it's the end of the road.

 

As I many times pointed out the creation of an Arab and Jewish state in Mandate Palestine was mandated by the UN partition resolution. How undemocratic and racist of them the United Nations. And the right of return is a non-starter. Financial compensation in lieu of the right of return to Arab and Jewish refugees is the only way to achieve peace and a two-state solution.

 

Yeah. He spent exactly ONE PARAGRAPH on the the israeli conflict and the rest was a long drawn out defense of American foreign policy.

Here's the entire speech. Like always with him it's a decent speech, and it whether real or not, it did plead passionately not just for peace in the Middle East, but he defended American foreign policy although I know to the Jihadist/Leftist set it'll come across as self serving, but he tried.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/Obama-UNGA-Text.pdf

 

Hello????

There already IS a Jewish state.

Now the Palestinians want one of their own.

And eventually, they WILL get one.

 

Of course they will, once the Palestinians lay down their arms for a few years and actually show signs of building a nation instead of a tunnel/bunker complex and they give up on the ridiculous of idea of the Israelis committing demographic suicide by flooding themselves with Pali "refugees".

 

Palestinian arms, or the lack of, is not the illegal settlement problem. Yet, Palestinians are often wrongly blamed for the illegal settlement problem, unjustly.

 

I am quite aware of that. And there already are 23 arab states. And only two of them recognize Israel (barely and not as a jewish state either). So your whining that Israel won't agree to a palestinian state is misplaced. It's the arab states that never agreed to a Jewish state and still don't. Israel exists despite their 'disagreement'.

 

Or the Palestinians just keep having babies much faster then Jewish Israelis and force them through shear weight of numbers to give them their own state or Israel risks becoming the new Apartheid of the world.

Either way...it is inevitable.

'In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, Ehud Olmert said Israel was "finished" if it forced the Palestinians into a struggle for equal rights.
If the two-state solution collapsed, he said, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished". Israel's supporters abroad would quickly turn against such a state, he said.

"The Jewish organisations, which were our power base in America, will be the first to come out against us because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents," he said.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/30/israel

 

What other Arab states do has NOTHING to do with the Palestinian's right to a country.

Nothing.

 

His speech was a joke. It was a 2012 campaign speech nothing more.
All this rubbish about there will be no peace without negotiations!!!

Were the Palestinians included in any negotiations when the Europeans took their land and homes????????
You cannot have peace without negotiations!!! What a joke.
These hypocrites make me sick!
The world saw clearly today AIPAC like the Exorcist speaking from the mouth of Obama. We all saw it's hold over their economy and life of every American citizen and it is dragging you down into the very depths of hell along with them.
No doubt the devil himself will cry like a baby tomorrow from the stage to his children. Will Chavez be there tomorrow?
If he is it will be the second time he smells sulfur in the UN building.
Maybe everyone should take a gas mask.



Sarkozy!! what was he talking about?
Observer status! Palestinians already have that. They are not absent from any of the meetings. What is the donkey talking about? All they are lacking is the tick of the box.

The ONLY right thing that he said, the only correct observation he made, was saing that the use of the US veto would enrage and inflame the Arabs who are now springing up and fighting back against dictatorship in the Arab Spring.

Yes he was right about that.

Was that a hint to Obama? I have no idea because they all talk out both sides of their rmouths.

 

Most of the USA oil comes from Canada and Mexico... The ME is becoming less and less relevant for the USA.

 

Is it going to abandon the devils child out here in the desert region and hope that we will adopt it?

 

No israel is necessary for power projection... Just like the UK and Japan are both unsinkable US aircraft carrier...

 

Unfortunately they do. The arab states waged several wars against Israel on behalf of the palestinians, they arab states robbed and expelled a million jews (who moved to Israel) on behalf of the palestinians, the arab states don't recognize Israel's right to exist on behalf of the palestinians...The major concern is that they will arm a palestinian state when it's created and unleash it on Israel.

At any rate, the only point I was making was that it's the arab world (including Palestinian arabs) that does not agree to Israel, your concern that Israel may not agree to a palestinian state is completely misplaced. Israel will immediately agree to a palestinian state once the state provides assurances of non-violence, recognizes Israel as a jewish state, renouncse terror and gives up the silly show-stopping idea of the right of return.

 

Not good enough.

And I do not care if Israel has just one demand; no matter what it is...it is too much.

The Palestinians have a right to a country now...not if they give assurances.

Human rights are not conditional.

And the international community is siding more and more with the Palestinians. It is only a matter of time before they get their own country...no matter what Israel says.

 

then there won't be a palestinian state.