‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

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  1. UntilNextTime

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    With the list of adverse effects from western big pharma meds that make them 3-figure billions of dollars a year, DYTTGAF about you?
    Anyone who advocates the covid vaccines and that they do no harm is either deluded or evil or both.

    Examining Bill Gates' History and Bloodline
     
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    You're right, the conservative side does believe in conspiracy theories more mostly as a result of not trusting the State. Throughout history, evidence of nefarious actions by various governments validates this distrust. How anybody can believe what politicians and the government say at face value simply amazes me. Especially in the face of conspiracies that have turned out to be factual and showcase precisely how authoritarian regimes often lie, manipulate, hide, and hurt their citizens which has been happening since government was created.

    The ideological difference is that the left has this blind trust in government and views them as the body that provides for them, sustains them, and protects them. The right, the conservatives, aren't so gullible and dependent.
     
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    No

    This idea was sold to you and my favourite villain/s were part of it.

    First was the NRA acting as the advertising arm for the gun industry pushing the idea that you need guns to stand up to the “evil government”. Bottom line - things should NEVER get that bad because if it does America will make Ukraine look like a Sunday School picnic

    The second was Rupert “may he burn in a thousand hells” Murdoch. He sold the idea that you are not in charge of the government to the American people - why? Follow the money. Corporations like buying politicians and as cheaply as possible - they cannot do that if the politicians are funded by the people and have support of the people. If you doubt me look at Tucker Carlson

    The government should be YOUR employee not your master
     
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    Your generalizations and stereotypes I bolded in black including suggesting Conservatives are less gullible than leftists after almost 5 years of Trump dementia and its control of the Republican and your selective take on ignoring the followers of Nixon, Reagan, and others makes zero sense.

    The point is people of all political ideologies can follow and trust authority including leaders and state apperati blindly or distrust it. History has shown us that time and time again. No ideology has a monopoly on being less gullible.

    In fact one's individual self esteem and formation of their ego, i.e., how one values themselves has been shown to be a crucial factor in how they value and perceive others. The less self esteem and the larger the ego, the more likely someone will feel threatened by differences including difference in thoughts and expressions.

    So might I suggest to you to you it is not politics its self identity and ego you should consider.
     
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    Hi mate

    I am bowing out of this thread for a while as it appears that some are using it as self validation and that is NOT good for anyone’s mental health - especially theirs. I am more than happy to continue to interact with people like yourself who obviously have a health work life balance
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause:

    Bravo! And very very true

    Thing is we have actually been too successful with vaccines so people are NOT seeing the horrific tolls we used to see
     
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    My post was in response to a 100% stereotypical post. But you didn't say squat about that.

    I guess when those stereotypes align with your views, you just nod in acceptance.

    Nice try making it personal and about me. Maybe I have an ego, but that attempt by you screams of insecurity of your positions.
     
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    1. I mentioned nothing about you nor did I direct my comments to you personlly.. You brought yourself up. Why you brought yourself into the response and why you feel threatened personally is for you to answer.

    2. When you respond to what you think is a nonsensical stereotype using another that does not make your point any more valid and if anything makes your response illogical and equally as inane.

    3. Finally before you guess about what I may think or construct as thoughts please ask otherwise you engage in the kind of defective assumptions that create the inane stereotypes you engage in.
     
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    Um...

    "So might I suggest to you to you it is not politics its self identity and ego you should consider."

    Yeah ya did.

    I would say that my comments were more "generalizations" than stereotypes, and certainly there are an abundance of facts that validate those generalizations. Such as, it is well known that generally the right supports keeping and bearing arms, largely as a means and mechanism of ensuring fascism doesn't occur. Largely, and generalizing of course, most anti-gun and anti-2nd amendment folks trust government to the extent that they don't desire the free possession of firearms.

    Those sir are facts. And fit within my generalization.

    Blah blah blah. You did the same thing.

    Buck up and engage the conversation, rather than me, and maybe we can get somewhere.
     
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    That's big pharma for ya!

    Take a pill to mask the symptoms and not target the root cause of any given ailment, only to create a new wave of wonderful surprises unleashed onto your body.
    You go big pharma cheerleader squad, you go!
     
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    ~ Are you making a testimonial .. ? :omg:
     
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    Shh, it may get embarrassed. auiqs.jpg.gif
     
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    Such a simple concept/fact that escapes all the worlds mental midgets who would rather choose to stick government blessed harmful things into their bodies, instead of taking real action towards reversing the "fundamental cause" of what's the actually source of their illness.
     
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    In regards to your first response no actually you did not, you continue to reject the proposition,

    In regards to your second statement that you are generalizing not stereotyping, might I suggest to you that engaging in semantics to justify your stereotypes by referring to them as generalizations is pointless.

    Speaking of generalizations though, as a general rule stereotypes are over simplified generalizations that don't flex to concede new information or information to indicate why they make sense and serve no helpful hypothesis for what to expect when interacting with members of a cultural group. Y\

    I would again suggest tyour over simpilfications of all people you think are conservative and specifically as to what they believe is not accurate if for no other reason conservatives we both know range in variations of what you say to such a degree or don't believe or think in what you say to such a degree your simplified generalizations are not helpful in understanding anyone you label including me.

    That is opinion based in response to your opinion. You do not state fact. You express opinion as you have to actual evidence of what anyone thinks. My opinion I would say is more probable if for no other reason all one has to do is look at the degree of chaos when the Republicans fought over Mr. McCarthy becoming speaker of the house, showed the fractured disagreements within the group of people you stick a simplistic label on and from I suppose my own insight as a conservative who you falsely label with certain beliefs and tendencies.

    As for your references to fascism if we used the term conservative, liberal and fascist as originally defined and not in its present misappropriated forms to mean left and right of the political spectrum I would concede the extreme form of Liberalism could evolve inti fascism and the extreme version of conservatism could evolve into either anarchy or some sort of deontological totalitarianism but that has nothing to do with the labels you engage in or I challenge.

    Blah blah blah is not a response.

    Might I suggest though it evidences cognitive dissonance in that you demonstrate the very behaviour you ask me not to engage in and that is not to address the issues presented and to become personal.

    Might I furtrher suggest all my comments are directed to your comments and words NOT you and exhibit a genuine attempt to engage and challenge your words with utmost or as you would say with the buck of a bronco or as I would ay a dog lifting his leg to piss on a tree.

    Also by now I would hope you realize I realize yhis is a political forum and so when I read things I find simplistic and perpetuate false stereotypes of the left or the right as you call them I challenge them with tongue in cheek and I would hope in so doing remind you to take yours out of your cheeks as I do now and from time to time. My I assure you I do not single you out personally and my challenges equally annoy left and right as I would like to think we all have the same homo sapiens defects and affectations regardless of which cheek the methane is then directed.

    Have a pleasant evening and remember, not all of us have left or right cheeks. Some of us just are shal1 we say the large hole in the middle.

    Here let me illustrate:

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    me and Ben
     
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    For they'd be saying, "NAH, we'd rather blindly trust big gov, big pharma and big philanthropy collusion to give us what we need, no brains and heaps of pills and injections that do anything but cure."
     
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    Died Stupid

    :omg: My new documentary exposing the facts about the covid-19 vaccine controversy coming soon to the InterWebs near you ...
    :pc:❗️
     
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    Forest Gump sums it up.

     
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    ~ Yeah... I guess Gump beat me to it . :???:
     
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    I keep waiting for my government to become a fascist state

    Still waiting - I suspect the beggars are too lazy
     
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    Your limited exposure to historical precedent doesn't change the risk and probability.

    The risk of authority in government has always been prevelant and still is.
     
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    Wow, you don't know a fascist state when you live in one!

    Your neighbor Thailand is very much the opposite. They are now suing Pfizer for medical fraud and more. What a difference between the Thai government and the US Government Down Under.
     
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    Eleuthra you have no idea just how absurd your statement is. My family survived the very phenomena to come to Canada so I could enjoy all the freedoms they never had. Countless Americans like my relatives came to the US to enjoy the freedoms their ancestors could only dream of. You talk like a spoiled sheltered entitled brat. You call the US fascist and scream at people that it is....you need someone to get your ass to Iran, China, Russia, North Korea. You have no clue just how arrogant and elitist you are when you presume to tell me or anyone what is fascism.
     
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    Nothing on this thread presents any evidence of deaths caused by Covid 19 vaccine. In fact the thread is a title that proposes a second hand unsubstantiated statement. The very title of the thread shows the intent to spread unsubstantiated heresay. The most blatant exercise was by Navy claiming he knows of 6 deaths. He presents a claim with zero proof. If anyone thinks he received 6 autopsy reports indicating 6 people died of Covid 19 vaccines might I suggest you are deluded. Simply fabricating anecdotal remarks as he did is not only dishonest it uis irresponsible. It spreads false information intended to scare people. There is zero proof anyone died of Covid 19 vaccines on this thread and there is a reason Navy can not back up what he claims and simply asks people to assume what he says is true-he asks people to pass on fear mongering gossip. Navy until you prove one damn thing you claim, you show your lack of credibility in your remarks.
     
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    The truth doesn't care about feelings.
     

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