“Conservatives take aim at tenure for University professors”

Conservatives take aim at tenure for university professors.

'Once even conservatives saw tenure as a vital protection for free speech for conservative professors. But now there are so few conservative professors left that that argument has less force . . . .'

Without the political balance it likely no longer enjoys majority support.

Several states across the country are taking a fresh look at tenure. It was once looked on as a way to ensure free thought and speech, but now with so many in academia suppressing and punishing the speech and thoughts of students they disagree with, should a system designed to protect free speech and thought be continued if it now protects the suppression of free speech and thought? It's not clear that it should.

'The trend reflects Free State scrutiny 'of instruction related to race, gender and sexuality from schools to higher education. But budget considerations also play a role.' Blue States have been cutting tenured faculty in order to spend less on classroom instruction and more on faculty overhead, so this probably will only be missed by the already dwindling ranks of the tenured.

 

Your sources “independent sentinel” and “NOQ” are not is questionable at best (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/independent-sentinel/), (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/noq-report/), and both are framed opinion pieces taken from actual studies. The clue is that they don’t cite the study nor include access in their pieces

Doesn’t add to the exchange

 

That professor of philosophy, not logic, can argue all he wants but at the end of the day, we set very high bars for tenure as a Professor in all reputable institutions and I am perfectly fine with protecting them from political influences while they educate the next generation and help to create a body of knowledge for all human beings. As for whether or not every single Professor is as effective as each other, that Professor buddy of yours might edumicate you on how to debate because I never made that claim.

 

Criminals are criminals even if they protest the Floyd murder.

 

totally agree <-- same response I would expect when talking about criminal cops

most denounced the looters and rioters during the Floyd protests, any that supported them are as bad as those that support bad cops

 

Just how many bad cops deserved a destruction of millions upon millions of dollars in properties that ANTIFA and BLM perpetuated on the US? Hum? How many bad cops are out there? The one in Minneapolis?

 

not sure what you're asking, arrest bad cops, arrest looters and rioters, simple

neither justifies the other

 

The left is the master of suppressing thought partly through brownshirt tactics directed at conservative speakers partly through professors suppressing conservative ideas in the classroom.

Universities are starting to make DEI loyalty statements a neccesity for hiring or promotion.

 

Asking a question is not the same as inferring you made a claim. Personal attacks only reveal ones inability to defend a position on merit. This is not about me.

If we are discussing the quality of education, we have to accept the fact that not all professors are equally effective. We must also operate under the assumption that there is room for improvement.

If your claim is that tenure increases the quality of education, I have to challenge that. What do you think of this study?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...s-professors-get-worse-after-receiving-tenure

 

this isn't about the quality of education. It's about leftist agenda

 

Where can that be found in its entirety?

 

why get all wee wee'd up about liberal professors losing tenure? Is it about quality education or indoctrination of students?

Let the chips fall where they may. Students can go north on US 41 about 3 miles to Ringling College, pay $70k per annum and get a belly full of Democrat ideals if that is important to them

 

Why divert from the topic instead of answering a simple question?

Clearly we all want the best education to our children/next generation and the indoctrination delusion is an item only to to those who can not handle higher education or even lack a basic one.

 

do you see how you immediately go to insults? That's Democrat-voter 101 tactics. Do you feel that public universities should preach liberalism? I could care less if a private school wants to churn out Democrat voters and individuals pay for that. I also do not support student debt forgiveness because that is not the role of the POTUS or Congress. It is unconstitutional

 

So, are you trying to let us know you are a "welder"? Or is that an example you are interested in making?
If you are a "welder," kindly tell us how long you have been working as one.

 

Other workers/craftsmen have protection.

 

What insult? You felt insulted? By what and why?

Spare me your partisanship. Why can't you stick to the issue at hand?

As opposed to preaching conservatism? I oppose any preaching at a public university.

None of this is relevant to the topic at hand. Again, why can't you stick to it?

 

No, but getting certification in a trade is a lot different than getting tenure at a university. To get tenure, they already have at least a Ph. D, research in a specific topic area of the subject they are teaching, already have 1000s of hours of teaching experience behind them, already wrote several academic articles of the specific subject in academia magazines, and so forth.

 

Online courses in college does have a unique advantage, but it also does have disadvantages as well, especially for certain classes. But whether it is online or in person, it is still taught by a profession of some sort. And some online classes are just classes in person and with a video for the students who want online. Or in other words, one in the same.

 

Except Lt. Gov Patrick wants to eliminate all future tenureships. And the University of Texas, as an academic institution, or Texas A&M, and about a dozen or so other Texas universities have tenure. But that is not what Lt. Gov Patrick thinks. He thinks by getting rid of tenure, even if it is biology, is somehow connected to CRT and will prevent CRT from being taught at colleges. And I call that BS for Lt. Gov Patrick as a whole.

 

Fake News.

When Universities- were more politically balanced everyone saw tenure as a vital protection for free speech, but, now that universities are filled speech codes and loyalty oaths at times forbidding speech at other times compelling it, tenue now serves to protect an unjust abusive power structure from outside influence and so it has lost majority support and is falling to the Will of the Free People of the various states.

Maintaining political balance would have likely maintained majority support for tenure.

 

As shown whenever a tenured professor publicly criticises the "current thing", tenure is not a magic bullet anyway. If they want you out they can find an excuse to get you out.

The solution isn't to get rid of tenure, it's for parents to only send their children to college for proper degrees - science, technology, law, engineering, or medicine.

Otherwise have them engage an apprenticeship, which is a far better option than a liberal arts degree.

 

Tenure is only approved at the Board or Regents level. And with most state universities, those regents are normally appointed by the Gov or alumni or both. That being said, the tenure is something earned and to have tenure means that you are bringing prestiege academically to the university in whatever subject you are an expert in.

Again, universities are not there to please your ideological background. And all of this is to put only ONE perspective in the classroom, the "Conservative" perspective. However, for universities to accomplish their tasks, they must teach students to critically think, which means not going for the BS that conservatives such as you push.

 

Fake News. These public universities are most certainly subject to regulation by the Free People who fund them. And with universities becoming so ideologically unbalanced they no longer have the broad support necessary to maintain the institution of tenure.

In our constitutional liberal democracy you are more than free to be ideologically unbalanced, and you are free to self fund.

 

Your claims are fake news. Left Wing Totalitarian's accusing the Constitutional Liberals of what they themselves are guilty of, is a rather old and boring tactic.

YALE LAW UPDATE: Looking To Tamp Down Controversy, Yale Law School Restricts Access to Free Speech Panel.



'In March 2022, hundreds of students at Yale Law School disrupted a panel with Kristen Waggoner, a conservative lawyer who has argued religious liberty cases before the Supreme Court, arguing that her presence was a "slap in the face" to "queer students." Yale's response to the incident left the school with egg on its face: Though the protest clearly violated Yale's free speech policies, which do not allow protesters to disrupt speakers, not a single student was disciplined.'

Figures. These vile Leftists that are in control of this university support the violation of their own free speech policies.

'Now Waggoner is returning to Yale Law for another talk. And this time, administrators aren't leaving anything to chance, banning press and anyone without a Yale Law School ID, including undergraduate students, from the event. They are also trying to prohibit covert cell phone recordings, which picked up audio of last year's disruption. It is not clear whether the ban on media includes the Yale Daily News, Yale's flagship student paper, whose editor in chief, Lucy Hodgman, did not respond to a request for comment.'

Judges announce that they will not longer hire Yale Law School Grads and the don't want these totalitarian asshats as clerks.

'Yale Law School dean Heather Gerken has been reaching out to federal judges who have announced that, given what they view as the school's hostility to conservative views, they will no longer hire clerks from the school.'