“House passes resolution to overturn new federal gun regulation”

I deleted it because you have posted the same thing 10 times.

 

That’s prevaricating. It hasn’t been pointed out that the exact number of braced firearms is unknown and, MORE importantly … MOST IMPORTANTLY, it should remain unknown.

Yes, Ive said the exact number of “braced firearms” is irrelevant. But I’ve never pointed out why. Sorry, I could have saved everyone the trouble of going through pages of your nonsense if I had just got to the REAL point of why the ATF’s change of policy is so insidious. Thanks!

 

The pertinent term is "in common use"
The threshold for "in common use" is rather now, as seen in Caetano v Massachusetts.
14 million....1.4 million... 140,000 = "in common use"

 

Yep, the ATF **** in its own nest when it created a class of firearms and a rule that allowed them to be manufactured and legally owned. Then vacillated about it long enough (years) that, that class of firearms reached ownership numbers that can’t be considered anything, BUT, “In Common Use”. And, as such, protected by the Second Amendment.

 

And according to Biden those "briefs" turn a pistol into a gun that can shoot a bigger bullet but he got them banned.

 

The first amendment mentions speech, it doesn't mention writings, megaphones, internet forums, or your above post.

 

Ok — did you think you made a point somewhere?

Speech on Internet forum isn’t protected and megaphones could be banned. Writings have been determined as speech but even that is limited to where and what you are writing on.

Y’all are kind of proving my point

 

Speech on the internet isn't protected? WTF?...lol

 

Your "point" was disproven and discarded some time ago.

 

Do you believe it is?
I thought this stuff was taught at even the worse preforming schools in the nation.

The second amendment applies to the government. It doesn’t apply to internet providers or website hosts.

Which is why you can be banned from places like Twitter or here for violating the TOS or just because a moderator or owner doesn’t like you.

How do you not know this?

 

The government cannot regulate speech, be it on a forum, or on any type written or spoken communication, except in rare cases involving the violation of other Rights. You're conflating the ability of what private individuals can do, with what the government cannot do.

The argument was that the government could regulate the pistol brace because it was never around or thought of when the 2nd Amendment was made. Or at least that is the implication that your statement "The second amendment mentions arms — it doesn’t mention accessories." gives. A "forum" is an accessory. A "megaphone" is an accessory. Neither is necessary to practice your free speech rights, but they do help. Yet the government cannot ban either of those on the basis of speech. Because they ARE protected by the 1st Amendment. They might be able to be banned based on other reasons. Such as a forum dedicated to calling for violence or the noise decibel being too high on a megaphone. But they cannot be banned on the basis of speech alone....By the government. What people do, or allow, on their own property is a different matter.

Tell me, why ban pistol braces? It was invented to help those with physical disabilities to help defend themselves. By banning it you are making it to where a class of people are not able to exercise their Right to self defense.

 

False

The issue I have is the level of cognitive dissonance surround rights is based on what the topic is. We have so many conservatives saying that some laws should be applied based on the understand of the law when it was written and then they turn around and say all accessories should be able to be mounted to their truck mounted firearm.

I am not advocating banning anything. I just don’t believe what we are seeing today in terms of accessibility to military grade weapons would have been what the founding fathers intended. And they definitely wouldn’t have wanted women and blacks to be able to have them.

I simply do not believe that this massive proliferation of firearms is making society better.

 

You choose to not understand either argument.

My weapons are FAR better than "military grade", as most quality civilian firearms are.

So... what "grade" weapons do you suppose the founding fathers wanted their militiamen to fight wars with?

M'kay. So?

 

Speech on internet forums is absolutely protected. The state cannot shut down the servers of the site owner because they don't like the speech on here.

 

What about what I said there is false? Simply saying "false" without giving context is meaningless.

We're not talking about truck mounted firearms. We're talking about a pistol brace meant to help those that are physically disabled.

And yet many women and free blacks back then did own firearms. Indeed there were private civilians that even owned cannons and later gatling guns (though this particular gun ownership was rare).

Even if you believe that, it sure as heck isn't making it worse. The only reason it seems as bad as many seem to think is because of the media and politicians with an agenda making it seem far worse than it actually is.

 

Bribed Joe tries to violate the constitution, again, gets stopped by Federal Court.

Federal Judge Strikes Down Bribed Joe's ATF Ban on AR-15 'Style' Pistols'

Bribed Joe's crazed ATF was trying to require 'millions of owners of braced guns to register the firearms and pay a $200 tax, or face 10 years in jail. Kacsmaryk’s decision is the most sweeping, covering the whole country.'

Bribed Joe's Administration doesn't even hesitate to violate the rights of Americans.

'an estimated 40 million qualifying firearms in use, which would make this clearly fall under the “commonly held” standard set by SCOTUS, not to mention issues of ex post facto enforcement.'

'At issue is the ATF’s rule issued earlier this year to ban the braces on the guns. The agency claims it turns a pistol into a dangerous rifle.'

'for years before its ban, the ATF allowed the braces to be sold, and they have become so common that some estimate 40 million or more are in circulation, making the AR-style pistol one of the most commonly held firearms in the nation.'

'Since the ATF changed its view of the brace and issued its rule, a handful of courts have challenged the agency and questioned how it can overnight make millions of owners potential criminals.'

 

I suspect the judge's ruling will be upheld

 

It's hard to argue that a gun with 40M in circulation isn't in 'common use'.

 

Nonsense

 

the one flaw in the Heller paradigm was later noted by Scalia-where I don't recall-one of his former clerks-Professor Steven Calabresi (a good friend in college) had a brief meeting in 2012 before Professor Calabresi spoke to the audience at the U of Cincinnati Law school for the annual Taft Lecture on constitutional law (he was discussing the pending Obama care case and predicting how Scalia would opine on that issue). He noted that Scalia understood that flaw-if an arm was developed and banned before Civilians could widely own it (which is what happened with machine guns due to the onerous tax which at one time was more than the cost of the firearm)-the second amendment could be frustrated. However, common use-at least from what I was told-was meant to include civilian law enforcement so using that standard, M4 carbines are in common use for lawful purposes.

 

That's my understanding as well, that law enforcement officers are civilians and examples of weapons in civilian use.

 

ATF:
Through May of 2019, there are 699,977 registered machine guns in the U.S.
In Ohio there are 21,431 registered machine guns.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/09...gistered-machine-guns-explosive-devices-ohio/
This satisfies "in common use"

 

You and I agree and almost every civilian big city police department along with federal CIVILIAN agencies such as the DEA FBI and USMS all have lots of machine guns. In fact, the federal military has been supplying our Ohio LEO Agencies with surplus M16 rifles that have been replaced with the M4.

 

I do not know that state-owned machine guns fall under the NFA registration requirement.
If not, then these registered machine guns are all in private hands.

 

We will enjoy every last second of it.