“It Will Be A Shock”: Ukraine Lost 500,000 Soldiers In War So Far, Nearly 30,000 Per Month: Lutsenko

So if a kid shoots up a school it’s everyone else’s fault but his. Thanks for the perspective

 

Yawn. Russian lies. Ukraine has lost about 40% of what Russia has lost and so far Russia has lost just under 400,000.

 

Lutsenko doesn't say "500,000 dead".

If someone else has claimed this, who are they and what exact satellite evidence do they have?

Lutsenko might possibly be referencing US reports of 500,000 dead or injured Russians and Ukrainians - in total. Reports based on a wide variety of sources including satellite.

Lutsenko's opinion is that the actual figure of Ukrainian dead - whatever it is - may be shocking but if so, would serve the purpose of mobilizing more of the populace into service. At least, that's his stated purpose.

 

396 000+.....1200 dead Zs today.....by early next week 400K+.....which could even be higher considering events on the ground are fast moving?

 

Oh, yeah, ukie land has lost so few troops that's why they are sending women, children and senior citizens to the front

 

Are you claiming that if Joe Biden started the war then he deserves credit
for it because more Russians were killed than Ukrainians?

 

Isn't that what Putlers doing?


Wait.....he's culling all the ethnic "trailer trash" like Buryats, Kalmucks, Tuvans, Chechens, Kirghiz.....the ones REAL RuZZians could give a shyt about?

 

If Russia has a 10:1 artillery advantage over Ukraine, how is it possible more Russians have died over the past two years?

https://english.elpais.com/internat...-in-massive-artillery-battle-with-russia.html

 

How is it possible that the Mafiosi doesn't control any of the major cities?

How is it possible that Mafiosi loses ground ?

So 400K is a lie?

 

To defend Biden's love of war and in particular starting the war in Ukraine,
back when he as VP, then they stoked it up when he got in as president
into the present hot war.

The Biden Administration has grabbed two items of defense:
1. The claim that we are winning therefore it is a good war
2. The claim that somebody else started it, so even when
it turns out we aren't winning, it isn't our fault.

We aren't winning by any criteria I consider useful, and
it is the fault of the Neo-cons in the Biden Administration

 

Think of just the broad outline.
1 The conflict started in 2014, NATO even stated that
2 the conflict was low level during the next 8 years 'only' 14,000 were killed.
3 after the 'aid' from the US arrived and was put into use at the beginning
of Biden year 2, the war turned into a very hot war.
the aid (artillery shells mostly) started being fired at Donetsk around
Feb 16th and 8 days later Russia, after further attempts at negotiation
finally moved some military forces in.

Even if you think the exact dates and figures are wrong, it is impossible
to dispute that the 'hot' stage of the war began a year after Biden arrived,
having been a low-level conflict during the Trump years.

Debating with Democrats who support Neo-cons, is even worse that it
was debating with Republicans who support Neo-cons, and both are
worse than debating with Flat Earthers.

 

We went through much the same thing in late 2022, when EU Commission President
Ursula von der Leyen making a point about how big a disaster the war in Ukraine is,
gave the figure for the deaths at that time (Nov 30 2022) of 100,000 military and 20,000 civilians.

There was an immediate response that it was classified information, and the statement
was edited out of the speech. It was then stated that she had accidentally conflated deaths
and injuries together.

 

Russian soldiers are very poorly trained, the equipment is trash, and their fire chain of command is way to slow. Also, Russians use WW1 human wave attacks where they shoot their own soldiers if they don't rush to their deaths. Ukraine has largely been the defender and the defender has massive advantages.

If you don't know that then you don't know much on this topic and that is a fact.

 

Putin started this war. He has 100% of the blame without exception as he started this war of aggression without even an believable excuse. Our local Putin propagandists are trying to lie about who has died and how many. All to make excuses for Russia's fascist war of aggression.

I can understand you dislike having facts and truth destroy such Russian propaganda lies but that is reality. Deal with it.

 

That's not the "same thing".

The US numbers have not been retracted or changed. Lutsenko's number is simply vague as to source and specifics.

The one thing that is clear, is that he didn't say that 500,000 are dead.

 

But there were new 450,000 graves on the photos, so
where did they bury the survivors?

 

Why don't you supply a few credible sources for the bs propaganda you posted about Russia's military?

Russian control over the territory it's liberated since its SMO began hasn't changed materially in months while Ukraine's corruption ensures its eventual defeat. Another $61 billion won't accomplish anything except postpone the inevitable until after next November's POTUS election.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

 

Did Gorby get that "promise" in writing? I'd like to know who in the U.S. allegedly made such a promise and on what basis.

 

Lol.

 

The Moskhailiy have gained small pieces of ground since summer. Unfortunately. A major problem is the attack against Ukrainian infrastructure is being conducted daily. Civilians are being murdered by Russians including women children and infants. The simple truth is Russians are murderers and being lead by a mad “man”. Some say he is a ‘chort ‘ a devil in Ukrainian.

 

There was NO document....or phuck all of any promise made that was written on , witnessed by others, in black & white.

Whatever (verbal) conversation was back in the day....between Gorbachev/Colin Powell/ or whomever....carries no weight or leverage what so ever.

It's he said,I said, between 2 people and a gate post....no document, no commitment, no promises.....end of story.

 

RuZZians are Asiatic in nature....their so called culture reflects it...and their subservience to their Mongol overlords Batu/Genghis Khan back in the day.

Most vatniks aren't European ....like they claim to be....they've been lied to all along. Dwarfstan knows this well....he continues the lie....since he's old Cheka/KGB and has lived this lie his entire existence.

 

It wasn't ever mentioned by anyone any where until the late 1990s so it is pretty obviously just a made up lie. Pretty much what the Russians always do.

 

Stop believing western propaganda that is designed to benefit the war machine.


A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Moscow that NATO would not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday comes as expansion of the US-led bloc has led to a military standoff in Eastern Europe.

The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany contain multiple references to “2+4” talks on German unification in which the Western officials made it “clear” to the Soviet Union that NATO would not push into territory east of Germany.

We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.

“NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added.

A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”

“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe [sic],” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”

 

No documents, no promises, nothing signed.

Blowing shyt out some a$$es.

And I had trouble accessing this "link"?.... more BS.