“It Will Be A Shock”: Ukraine Lost 500,000 Soldiers In War So Far, Nearly 30,000 Per Month: Lutsenko

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  1. FearandLoathing

    FearandLoathing Well-Known Member

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    Quite well actually.

    At least I don't buy pathetic Russian bullshit.

    I have some land in the artic I will sell you...it's ocean front....or will be in ten years.

    If you buy MAGA you'll LOVE this opportunity
     
  2. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    To borrow from Kristofferson, freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose....
     
  3. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, you buy MSM bullshit, no questions asked. That's embarrassing.
     
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    It was always clear to me that Ukraine could not win this unless the U.S. and nato countries got involved (boots on the ground). And the U.S. doesn't wanna and Europe won't. So negotiation was needed to keep Ukraine losing the least possible.

    I keep hearing that our leaders don't have a strategy. I think they do. Everyone in the Biden administration knows he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag and neither could Blinken. So..I think the strategy was always to throw enough money at this to keep it going as long as possible, and simultaneously hope that propaganda would be successful in pushing the Russian people to overthrow their government. Then Biden could take credit for not only winning the war, but the regime change (which all the war hawks from both parties love!) It was never about Ukraine winning. Only trouble is it isn't working.
     
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    Our government was convinced threatening Russia would lead
    to a war, that we would 'bleed Russia white' and the overthrow
    the Putin government and break up Russia in the same way as
    the USSR broke up.

    That narrative though fitting the observations, wasn't quite right,
    and the expectations that just because Russia wasn't as militarized
    as the US, and had only 7% of the GDP, and would be facing not
    just the US but all of NATO and a few other countries, also didn't
    go as expected.
     
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  6. FearandLoathing

    FearandLoathing Well-Known Member

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    Interesting debate technique.

    Moscow?
     
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Russia is protecting its borders from foreign encroachment. I must admire that action.

    Our government is facilitating hordes of undocumented and illegal immigrants flowing over the border, giving them money and cell phones.

    Compare and contrast the 2 styles of governance.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some progress might be on the way in Ukraine:
    the original aggressor Victoria Nuland is about
    to leave the Department of State.

    For the first time in a long time Russia might
    be free.
     
  9. FearandLoathing

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    You assume I would believe you.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No sir. I understood full well that well indoctrinated Americans like yourself believe ONLY what the mainstream media tells them to think, believe what they tell you to believe.

    As in what Bill Casey of CIA said in 1981, When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. Old News, F&L
     
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    Unless of course a leader in Ukraine isn't liked by America so they stage a coup and overthrow the government in 2014. I am sure America would be absolutely fine with China staging a coup in Mexico and replacing the government there with one that was pro-China and anti-American. Thankfully the Chinese government is not batshit insane to take such a provocative step. The same cannot be said for our government.

     
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    Even Russia has given up on that old lie. Now they are openly saying it was a colonial war for empire. Did you not get the memo?
     
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  13. FearandLoathing

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    I'm not an American,

    Next.....
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you familiar with the now deceased young journalist from Germany named Udo Ulfkotte? He told a similar story, revealing how thoroughly the CIA permeates European media for years. He suffered the same fate as Gary Webb regarding talking about the CIA in media.
     
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    No arguing with that .. sans to add bad economic policy to the mix -- outsourcing our economy to the Chinese .. for no good apparent reason other than to get a T-Shirt for a few extra pennies made by cheap labor in non industrialized nations --- the sole reason CO2 Emissions went from 22 Billion tons/yr to 36 Billion tons/yr over last 30 years with concurrent increase in Ocean Pollution over same period .. Dead zones from 100 to over 500 .. one now the size of the State of New Jersey due to Biden's "Not in my back yard -- Dump it in the ocean" Environmental policy.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What about Earthling .. just trying to know what can be discussed other than the weather on Mars :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So .. what Pathetic BS are you buying these days .. if not the Russian caviar .. is it the MAGA infatuation you mention .. ? the Reality TV show Star .. is that your cup of tea .. or is Genocide Joe more up your ally .. the hard stuff for breakfast.

    Always get a chuckle about those who .. without substantiation-- blurt out ingested propaganda tropes .. .. especially of the Russia Russia duck and cover variety - accusing others of heartfelt affliction. .. what they call that in academic circles for aliens -- projection or some such thing .. but, fear not for there is hope that we may be able to dissect this propaganda trope.
     
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  18. FearandLoathing

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    Wow


    Doesn't take much to get your heart rate in the stroke zone!

    Have a nice day!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anti American - Anti Patriot neocon hate filled diatribe does knock it up a few beats ... nowhere near the Stroke Zone though so you can relax .. you have not caused a heart attack :)
     
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    The "cause" is not external.

    have a nice day between strokes
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    did you have anything you wished to say about the topic or is personal invective all you have to offer after opening with that Anti Patriot - "Russia Russia" duck and cover propaganda ingested with the woke morning coffee .. collectivist tyranny the prog blue cancel crew.
     
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