“Speaker Johnson: Border bill is even worse than expected”

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    Under current law, it is, and also under current law, you have to have a hearing in front of a Judge, which with the lack of Judges, could take up to four years, in the meantime, they can stay in the US. The problem is the current law, it has to change, it is close to fifty years old, which this proposal includes

    And just to prove it to you, who did you think Abbott was shipping all over the country, illegal immigrations?
     
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    You do realize nonsense like this bill can't happen unless there is a huge degree of ignorance that allow it and accept it.. The DNC thinks very poorly of it's base :)
     
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    AM radio rhetoric
     
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    In case you haven't heard, your "bipartisan" bill isn't makin' it through the Senate:

    Senate GOP will block border deal, leaving Ukraine in limbo
    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...l-block-border-deal-leaving-ukraine-in-limbo/

    As I said, Biden can rescind his 64 EOs and clean up the mess he created this afternoon, but he doesn't want to clean up the mess he created and obviously neither do his fellow Open Borders Demokrats. All their talk and blame shifting is straight theatrics, and it's not fooling anyone.

    Rescinding the EOs will solve the problem Biden orchestrated - even the Left's propaganda mouthpieces can't deny we're experiencing a record flood of migrants under his watch:

    Authorities encountering record number of migrants at the border each day amid unprecedented surge
    December 22, 2023
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/22/politics/border-surge-record-amounts/index.html

    Even if Johnson did craft a new bill there's no reason to believe Demokrats will pass a border security bill, so I guess this issue is going to the ballot box.
     
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    They are blocking the closure measure, not the bill itself, supposedly so that they can have more time to study it

    The past has proven, thru Obama, Trump, and Biden, EO’s, issued or rescinded, will never solve the border issue, current Immigration law, which was written in the early 1980’s has to be changed, which this proposal does

    And, as a side note, there is nothing Johnson can do to address the border, nothing he can assemble will pass the Senate unless it is bipartisan coming out of the House, which ain’t happening, which he full knows
     
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    Also hypocritical since the proposal is exactly what the House demanded, which we all know is Trump’s doing, and what makes it inane is that the GOP under Trump will never get the Democrats to concede the way they did with this proposal, guaranteeing the border remains a problem for the foreseeable future. Trump does not want the border ever corrected

    Come next Fall the border, probably the Ukraine weakening, and China escalating threats on Taiwan will all be employed by Democrat Congressional candidates against the GOP for blowing the one chance to am,end the situation
     
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    And? Will they absolutely still agree 8 years from now on this one? As recently as 2020 they were still supporting the wall so….

    So I ask again, are they really the group you want to use to “appeal to authority?”
     
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    Obviously, this bill is not exactly what the House demanded, and Biden can solve the problem he orchestrated any times he wants....which is never.

    All losing issues for Biden and Demokrats....along with just about everything else but abortion.

    Biden can end this situation this afternoon, and if Dems want to pick up their Open Borders marbles that's on them. The only people they're fooling are themselves...
     
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    They do have the right to be heard under the current law. Under the new proposal, there would have been three things:
    1. Title-42 style authority to turn people back on the spot
    2. Stop "catch and release", meaning people would either return to wait for verdict, or wait at detention camps
    3. Expedite asylum and deportation process.
     
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    No it absolutely is accurate because what that means is that until the number reaches 5,000 the border is, for all intents and purposes, open for these illegals to come streaming through. They get a hearing which will take MONTHS until it happens and that's IF they even show back up and don't just live like illegals here.

    Moreover that only applies to the illegals that they CATCH, not the thousands streaming in every day they don't catch.

    And I'm not uninformed. In the contrary I'm informed enough to know that I'm not going to let you piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
     
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    Well, since Biden ended Trumps Remain in Mexico policy they can stay in the US. The thought of waiting 4 years in some border town in Mexico for 4 years would do wonders to discourage this mass migration from countries other than Mexico we are witnessing. Mexico would put a stop to it.
     
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    No the courts ruled that Biden had the right to end it, not that it must be ended.
     
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    The eagle pass mayor says it went from thousands a day to handfuls of illegals a day, I'm taking his word on it. He originally didn't like the state taking over his city's land.
     
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    All this benevolent big brother crap assumes we want them here, all of them. I just don't think that is true and I know it sure as hell ain't practical.
     
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    I absolutely love this section of the bill.
    SEC. 614. None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this division and division B of this Act, and prior Acts making appropriations for the Department of State, foreign operations, and related programs, may be made available for a contribution, grant, or other payment to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, notwithstanding any other provision of law.
     
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    Regardless, the split sucked..
     
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    Ah, they are the ones working the border, those dealing with the situation, their opinion should matter, Fox certainly has had enough of them on TV describing what they see daily
     
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    Big brother crap.....? You lost me there.
     
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    House said they were so concerned about the border, the border should come first, that they would do nothing, no aid for Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, until any proposal addressed the border. And after working with Democrats, a bipartisan bill was delivered, just as they asked for, and now they refuse to even read it

    Don’t be so sure of that, every time a Congressional candidate, or even Biden, gets a question on the border the response will be we worked with them and they refused to even considered the bipartisan proposal. The House gifted the Democrats, throw in the more than likely refusal to aid our allies, and it is ready rebuttal

    And Biden, just like Trump, Obama, and ever President going back to Reagan can not end the crisis at the border, all the EOs in the world won’t do it, only a reform of immigration law itself will accomplish that task and it has to come thru the Congress
     
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    Actually... there were policies that WERE effective and showed emphatic results. Once all those obstacles were removed by the Biden admin... an unprecedented surge.. nearly 4 million is expected by FYE 24!!
     

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    Wrong, the 5000 is the number they will process, all of the 5000 aren’t being admitted, and the majority will get a hearing at the border with the additional Judges added.

    It will allow them to further pursue others since personnel will be freed up, and it includes funding for 850 miles of repairing and adding new walls

    You are not informed on the proposal and just keep regurgitating debunked criticism
     
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    Mexico has rejected any effort to reinstate the policy (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mex...remain-mexico-policy-asylum/story?id=96939554), and, in the end, the program only dealt with minimal numbers compared to the total crossing the border
     
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    You just did
     
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