“Speaker Johnson: Border bill is even worse than expected”

““Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) slammed the Senate’s bipartisan border deal hours after the upper chamber released text of the long-awaited agreement, writing that it is “even worse than we expected” and declaring it “dead on arrival” in the House”

“Sen. James Lankford (Okla.), the lead GOP negotiator on the border deal, responded to Johnson’s decision almost immediately, saying he was “confused” how the bill could be worse than they expected.”

“I’m a little confused how it’s worse than they expected when it builds border wall, expands deportation flights, expands ICE officers, border patrol officers, detention beds, how it creates a faster process for deportations, clears up a lot of the long-term issues and loopholes that have existed in the asylum law and then gets us an emergency authority that stops the chaos right now on the border,” he said on a call with reporters.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...n-we-expected/

What do you suppose Johnson was expecting? What exactly would have to be in the proposal to allow a vote on the House floor?

Even if Trump was elected next November how would Johnson or Trump get the Democrats to make as many concessions on border policy as they are in this proposal?

 

Republicans want a campaign issue; not to fix the problem

 

Give them another 2 years of bussing illegal immigrants to their sanctuary cities and start sending them from every other Republican state and the democrats will give us anything we want in regards to immigration. Might even be able to get rid of that BS anchor baby concept.

But we have absolutely no need to compromise with the left on this issue in any way, shape or form. They can either give us what we want or keep setting aside funds for the illegals we send them. Their choice.

 

How about we stop the talking points and post honest facts

How many illegal aliens have entered the US within the past 2 years. It would be an estimate but release the number

How much taxpayer money has been spent the past 2 years on these illegal aliens? If they cannot provide that number, then that is an even larger problem

Once we get those facts, and be honest about it, we can then discuss if DC even wants to stop illegal aliens from entering

 

Wrong, as even Trump showed, the border problem isn’t going away unless real reform is accomplished, you can build all the walls you want, lay down all the razor wire, and it ain’t going to make a difference until you change immigration law, and this’ll is the most either side will concede

And by the way, if all those people you want bussed around are illegals that would mean that Abbott is breaking the law since it is against the law to transport illegals across State lines, you saying Abbott is a criminal?

 

Are you counting those seeking refugee status as illegal?

 

So no compromise. You do not want to improve the situation at the border unless you get absolutely everything you want.

And if you can’t get EVERYTHING, you do not want to improve border security.

Let’s be clear about that: you do not want to improve border security.

 

I agree which is why I say no compromise. We don't need to give them MORE incentive to come here. We need to give them LESS. If we want to stop illegal immigration we have to address the reason they're coming here.

They're coming here because they perceive that they have a better opportunity to improve their lives here as illegals than they do as legals in their own country. So we have to take that opportunity away from them.

I suggest we consider bussing illegals to democrat cities until the democrats give us the following:

We want the anchor baby issue addressed. No more anchor babies. Just because you got here illegally and had a baby does not make that baby an American citizen.

Then we have to address why they're coming. We place massive fines, say $5,000,000 per illegal immigrant on businesses that we find hiring them and we enforce those fines. Once we fine a few businesses the rest of them will fall in line because the risk of paying the fine far outweighs the benefit of the slightly cheaper labor.

Then we want all of their government privileges taken away. They don't get drivers licenses, they don't get ID cards, no tax numbers. They're not allowed to send their children to our schools and if their parents are illegals, they receive no government assistance whatsoever in any form. If they want to send their child to college they can pay out of state tuition like every other foreigner who wishes to do so. Furthermore they're not allowed to use our hospitals or healthcare system unless it's an emergency, at which point they will be deported once they have been stabilized.

once you take away their ability to provide for themselves and to be parasites off of the government dime, most of them will go home on their own accord. The ones who are left will be forced to resort to crime.

And that brings me to the last reform. If you commit a crime as an illegal you will be placed in a hard labor prison. You will work 10-12 hours a day doing manual labor. When you come back from working you will not hang out with your illegal buddies you will go to sleep and get ready for work the next day and you will be paid a minuscule wage for your labor until you pay back to society an amount determined by the judge when you are sentenced. And then you will work until you can afford to pay for your travel back to your country of origin and you will be removed immediately from leaving prison.

Bus them two or three more years of illegals and they'll give them all to us and they will receive nothing.

 

False. I do want to improve border security. However I'm not willing to compromise with the Dems for it. Conservatives win on this issue.

They either secure the border and stop attempting to compromise to get stuff they want which makes it easier and better for illegals who are already here... or they can keep getting illegals bussed to their cities and get smashed at the polls for it.

 

Or we don't want 5k illegals a day coming in. It's almost hilarious that there is literally only 20b total for both borders and they want to let in up to 8,500 a day or 5k a day average over 7 day period, then magically Biden will shut the border down. Wait what Biden can shut the border down in a day?

 

This bill provides for much improved border security. You don’t want it.

Ergo, you don’t want to improve border security.

 

It also provides an easier road for the illegals who are already here. Which is not worth getting the minuscule improvements to the border this bill would provide.

By your logic my suggestion is far more effective at securing the border than this bill. So if you wouldn't support it that means you don't want border security right?

 

None of that under any Administration is going to happen for a number of reasons but the most immediate being it violates immigration law, which makes this proposal real cause it does address reform the law

 

You are missing the point, you are never going to be get the Democrats to concede as many concessions on immigration as they are here

You can try to get as supposed tough and punitive as you want but it ain’t going to happen because of the law not to mention the 14th Amendment. Trump tried it and it did work, all his EOs were tied up and handcuffed in the legal system so much that they were useless

 

Right. Thats why I said these are reforms to immigration law. The left can either give them to us or they can keep getting bussed illegals. Their choice.

 

Of course we will. We have only had really one state significantly bussing their illegals to democrat cities and only for about a year and a half. If we start sending them from every Republican state in greater numbers for two or three more years, the democrats will give us anything we want.

 

if it reaches 5,000 the border automatically shuts down without the President’s order for a minimal of seven days out to three weeks so those numbers can be processed, it is part of the proposal

Biden, or any President can attempt to shut the border down with an EO but as Trump found out that course is ineffective since every time he attempted such his efforts were tied up in the Courts

 

And who tied them up in courts? The democrats.

Like I said. Make them suffer and they will capitulate. No need for compromise.

 

No one can bus illegals anywhere, if they did, it would be criminal, especially across State lines, and Abbott’s media circus is coming to an end, amongst other measures, now NYC is suing the bus companies for transporting migrants, soon others will follow.

And your thinking is irrational, following suit, thinking that way, those cities could return migrants and their homeless to promised warmer climates, none of it addresses the current problem

 

Amongst an assemblage of groups to even include libertarian interests concerned about exercising too much Executive power.

 

Nope because those cities are sanctuary cities which do not cooperate with law enforcement in regards to illegals. Good luck sending them anywhere without law enforcement lol

And there's nothing illegal about bussing illegals across state lines. That is not a crime.

Lol and what are they going to sue the bus company for? Here let me help you:

"The New York provision dictates that anyone who “knowingly brings or causes to be brought a needy person from out of state into this one for the purpose of making him a public charge … shall be obligated to convey such person out of state or support him at his own expense.”"

Good luck proving those bus companies brought them to NY for the purpose of making them a public charge. Not gonna happen buddy lol

 

First, are you willing to admit that there has been a large number of folks entering our country illegally? Are you aware that other countries have immigration laws and deport those who enter illegally?

Let's first get past the definition stage and see if you admit that other countries have laws and deport.

 

Then you know nothing about politics. You’re just interested in sticking to the libs.

 

Certainly is, illegal means criminal, and shipping criminals anywhere is illegal, aid and abetting known criminals

And NYC has already begun suing the bus companies, according to the law, they are not suppose to just drop off people anywhere but notify ahead of time where and when they are bringing people, which they do not comply with now largely cause the City can make it really difficult for them. Keep in mind these bus companies are not Greyhound, but local Texan companies, who don’t want nor can afford NYC taking them to Court

 

Its a 5000 a day AVERAGE, or 8500 total per day. There's a difference.