“Speaker Johnson: Border bill is even worse than expected”

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    If Johnson and House Rs kill this bill, it gives Biden and Dems an opportunity to blame them for the border.

    Dems trying to improve the border situation but Rs saying “NO!”
     
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    Current law is being followed, that is the problem, the current immigration law is antiquated, desperately needs to be reformed, which this proposal does for the first one in four decades

    And the “bill” they pass last year wasn’t a real attempt, if left the House on strict party lines and even the GOP in the Senate said it had zero chance of passing
     
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    None of that is true
     
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    Hell no, stand your ground and block it.
     
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    And as soon as they enter “illegally” current law allows them to request refugee status meaning they can stay here until they appear before a Judge, which often takes years. The new proposal ends that
     
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    Exactly, a fact the right here refused to acknowledge, and if nothing else, they should like the proposal because it changes that procedure
     
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    Incorrect, going back to Obama, every Democrat Administration has begged Congress to reform the existing immigration laws which were and are antiquated

    And you partially correct, for politics, both sides are, but those demanding addressing the border are getting here concessions from the Democrats they aren’t likely to get again, so if they are really concerned about the border they would also act here
     
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    Not entirely true, keep in mind this is what the House asked for three months ago, what they extorted from the Democrats to gain aid for the Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. And now when the bipartisan proposal arrives they condemned it even before they read it, they aren’t even requesting changes added as it works its way thru the Senate

    They were going to condemn this proposal no matter what recommended, and no one has to explain why
     
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    Which will take on even more weight if the Ukraine falls or suffers major loses
     
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    Why?

    Haven’t seen an argument yet here that offers a logical reason why this proposal shouldn’t at least reach a floor vote in the House
     
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    Of course he is, because 2m illegals a year is too damn many. NY city says it can't handle 10k a month, so do tell us, what city can? What is the end goal here, how many fruit pickers does Jerry Nader think we need? Do you realize we only have 3m babies born in America annually? How long will it take for America to turn into Venezuela? I'm so damn tired of lefties not thinking of the long-term effects their wokeness causes. We're already dumbing down our students to the point that competition amongst the other civilized nations is going to be a challenge. Now we want to add any and all poor people with zero security blankets into America. It's beyond cruel and unattainable to the illegals but also to the middle class and below Americans.

    Real immigration shuts the border down, opens up additional visas, uses all the crazy money spent on illegals to support technology to help lower the new visa processing time. This country has lost its freaking mind. I have a friend that is a foreign professional tennis player with his masters from a major university. He left the country to play in a tournament, attempted to come back last week and got taken into custody and shipped back due to a visa issue. Now he's having to fight a 5-year ban from entering the US, all the while a freaking thousands of 20 year old men with no passport, no visa no anything is walking across the border and getting shipped to cities of their choice. Unbelievable how stupid the left has taken this country.
     
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    Your post shows you lack an understanding of current immigration law, understandable, apparently few on the right do, but according to active immigration law, which is the problem, anyone crossing the border, legal or illegally, can request refugee status. From there they are guaranteed under the law to get their moment infront of a Judge, which could take up to four years.

    The problem is current immigration law, which this proposal addresses, to say just reject it is to admit you want the border to be a problem
     
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    Are you counting all of the super huge loopholes in the "asylum" system?l They are literally all "asylum" seekers.
     
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    I agree with Mike Johnson - it's worse than I expected, much worse - and I'm glad he declared it DOA.

    Since this bill wasn't going to solve the crisis Biden and Open Borders Demokrats orchestrated, Johnson might as well craft a new bill and bring that to the floor. In the meantime, Biden can rescind the 64 EOs responsible for the mess he created, but we all know that he won't. This is what he wanted.

    :democrat: AMERICA LAST :democrat:
     
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    Maybe a few of them have read it?
     
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    The 5000 a day number is so that the courts don't get overwhelmed. If the law was signed, it would stop the current 7000 a day right now. The Republicans would rather have 7000 a day by doing nothing than to limit it to 5k.

    They simply don't want to pi$$ off Trump and Russia. They are putting politics ahead of the good of the country. This is what I expect from Dems and it's sad that the GOP playing this stupid game.
     
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    LOL show your work, for some strange reason it appears the border encounters sharply rose in 2021, wonder what happened then? I can't wait to see your data correlating a rise in illegals to when Abbott started busing migrants. At this point you aren't even close to when the bussing started but let's see your work. :omfg:

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics
     
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    It's funny, where were yall when we were begging you to help with the border for the past 30 years?

    Pretty sure yall told us either give you a path to citizenship or we can stuff ourselves right? Isn't that how it went down?
     
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    The Cry Baby Loser blatantly lies to his lickspittles and claims to have built his "big, beautiful wall!"

    Screen Shot 2022-12-16 at 4.51.40 PM.png
    "You know, the wall is built!
    We're doing record numbers at the wall!
    Now, they want to take down the wall.
    Let's let everyone flow in. Let's let everybody flow in.
    We did a great job in the wall...
    One of the largest infrastructure projects we've ever had
    in this country, and it's had a tremendous impact...!"

    [https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial]
    Of course, the sexual abuser facing 91 felony indictments doesn't want Republicans and Democrats in Congress to enact bipartisan legislation to improve border security that the President would sign. That would serve the nation, but not the Loser's selfish agenda.
     
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    lol why would we do that? So we can decrease the number by 2,000 a day while providing Biden and the democrats cover for their horrendous policy decisions prior to this? While STILL allowing in 5,000 a day. We are going to extend more visas for the illegals already here and create 50,000 more beds for these criminals?

    Biden and the Dems want this because they know they're getting their butts pounded at the polls. So if they can pass this, it makes them appear as if they're actually doing something so they have cover for the election, when the ONLY real benefit from this plan is reducing the average flow of illegals from 7,000 a day to 5,000.

    Which does NOTHING to fix the problem. All it does is reduce the number slightly and provide cover for the democrats going into an election.

    Please tell me why would agree to that for a 28% decrease in illegals which the democrats are going to COMPLETELY undermine once they get past the election.

    Please tell me.
     
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    Which is exactly why the current immigration laws need to be reformed, which, for the first time in nearly half a century, this bipartisan proposal does. Any reform has to come from Congress
     
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    Yes it most certainly is. What does this bill give us other than a 2,000 a day decrease in illegals? Other than cover for the democrats going into the election?
     
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    This is just a Democrat game to buy time and milk all the good out of this lame Administration before they get replaced.
     

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