“What would you do if you were in the same position as Ukrainians are now, stay and fight or leave

It doesn't matter how many good gun owners there are. What matters is that the wrong kind of people have them as well.

 

Especially when you have lunatics like this running loose in the world:

Russian state TV calls for REPARATIONS from the US over sanctions: Putin's lapdogs demand return of 'Alaska and California's Fort Ross', threaten nuclear strikes on US, and call for public hangings in Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ATIONS-sanctions-public-hangings-Ukraine.html

Perhaps, it's time to roll out the welcome mat....

 

I like that doormat.. kind of reminds me of the welcome sign we have..


It says welcome... Told my old lady we need to hang a sign directly underneath it that says and possibly no trespassing!

They better not bring their ass down here in this neck of the wood.

 

So instead of making laws that only put a burden upon the people that legally own them and responsibly use them why don't Democrats put a bill forth that would say we should enforce existing laws that will cover gun crimes?

This is one of the primary reasons I could never consider being a Democrat.... We have existing laws that make it illegal to do things like shoot people unjustifiably.... Okay so instead of passing even more laws why don't you just go and force the ones that already exist?

I am genuinely interested on hearing any Democrats opinion on that question.

There's a small percentage of people who own cars and take them and go and kill people are you willing to give up your car even if it only saves one life?

Of course you are not

 

This makes no sense. Of course these laws are enforced.

If you think otherwise, you need to get away from all that partisan propaganda.

 

Evidently, it does.

And that's why we have a Second Amendment - so the wrong people aren't the only ones who have guns.

 

Evidently it does not, because there are still lots of gun crimes and they are practically never prevented by a "good guy" with a gun. It happens on occasion and that's great, but I would much rather not have these incels and other weirdos getting guns and abusing them in the first place. It's especially egregious when schools are shot up by their students and so little can be done legally to prevent that.

 

It makes perfect sense unless you have your own partisan agenda to advance....

You know we have laws about picking up a gun and shooting someone for no reason already right?

Are you telling me that observation of simple reality is incorrect?

Please tell me what is it about my post that makes no sense and be very specific so I can address your points one by one.

Thank you sir

 

The partisan breakdown of this poll is interesting, because In a poll I highlighted here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/who-does—and-doesn’t—support-sending-u-s-troops-to-ukraine.597790/

50% of Democrats supported sending sending US troops to Ukraine as opposed to 36% of Republicans.

That means Democrats are more likely to send someone else's kids to fight for another foreign country than to fight for their own. Make of that what you will, but it's not really a surprise.

Did even ONE left leaning poster say they would stay and fight for their country?

 

I'm going to ask you this question again since I already asked it once and you dodged it...

A small percentage of people who own vehicles will take those and use those to go out and kill people... So my question to you is this... Are you willing to give up your car or put up with a plethora of ever advancing new laws that restrict the use of your car?

After all there's not even an amendment in the Constitution giving you a right to your vehicle.

But yet you think we should take our gun rights in the Constitution and basically eliminate them correct?

 

Ukrainians united against a common enemy while Americans find ways to divide, and even this poll and the related articles are designed to do just that. It would be sad if US needed a war to unite itself again, but at this time Americans are more likely to kill each other than anyone else.

 

Indeed. And if it would take an external invasion to "unite" the country............unity in this country doe snot exist anymore..............IF it ever really did.

 

According t6oMartha Raddatz(sp??) reporting from Ukraine tonight on ABC News at least 10,000 Russian soldiers have been killed thus far.

 

I'm just going to put this out there for the future, but I just can't believe that number. I've not read any battle or accumulation of battles that would give that sort of KIA figure. Comparing the casualty figures of Russian losses in Chechnya , this doesn't seem at all realistic. The Russians lost just 368 killed during Grozny, and that was a brutal battle that destroyed the city.

 

Who knows but most agree they have taken lot of casualties, and not only in men, but in hardware too.

Russia’s armed forces are suffering substantial losses in Ukraine
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...s-are-suffering-substantial-losses-in-ukraine

 

It's always that way. We are a savage race and always seek conflict. Our social thinking is fundamentally tribalistic. Accordingly, if a given tribe does not have an external foe, it will begin to divide and fight internally, and the USA is a very, very large tribe with little in the way of external foes.

 

I think it would be highly unlikely, in a convention war situation, an enemy would have the resources to successfully land significant troops in the United States to a level we need civilians to take up arms. I guess it could be possible if it was Canada or Mexico but I don't see going to war with them. I think if we are fighting off an invading army it would most likely be aliens landing with advance tech and weapons. I think at that point I would want to be part of the team trying to come up with a technical solution to stop them or just bow down to our new alien overlords because I feel any species able to traverse the vast expanse of space to just to kill us is not going to be impressed by our projectile weapons.

 

Why can't I seem to get a liberal supporter of gun control to answer this basic question?

 

I'm probably a liberal in your world. LOL Yes, I'd give up my car if people were using cars to cause mass destruction (ie running over Kindergarteners, slamming into big public venues, going back to a company that fired them to kill people, etc.).

*** gloves off ***

However, the problem isn't really about guns or cars or mass destruction. If we cared about mass destruction, we'd be raising hell about fixing mental health services in this country.

It's about everyone, alleged born with the same inalienable rights, being subjected to others wanting to encroach on them.

So, would you be willing to give up your right to marry who you want to marry, have no access to financial benefits afforded couples, no say whatsoever in being with your loved one or have any connection with medical decisions or rights to advocate on their behalf and be separated from them in their final days and hours on Earth (let's assume we're not talking about these restrictions as part of COVID mitigation)?

 

Well... A small percentage of people who use cars do use them for mass destruction.

Roughly 30,000 people a year die due to guns in the USA.

About the same number of year died due to cars in the USA .

Humanity lived forever before the Advent of the automobile....

When I pose this question to people they're typical answer is well, yes but we can't live without cars..

We did it for about 99% of our existence.

 

Yeah, most people run away from real problem-solving in case you haven't noticed.

 

the other part of the topic question is:

If one decides to flee............WHERE would they go?? ....and who would "welcome " them??

 

There is no draft. Hasn't been a draft since 1973, so your "I won't go!" stuff is just... silly.

 

Just explaining my position. Resistance to conscription would falter pretty quick in any actual, proper war.

 

I joined a conscript (draft) Army and retired from an All Volunteer Force. Volunteer is MUCH better. Neither civilians nor the military want a draft. And wars are no longer fought with hordes of men and machines. They are fought with precision weapons that devastate the enemy without use of massive fires... well... unless you are in the Russian Army. Then you wait in miles long traffic to get to the battlefield and get clobbered by folks with better weapons than your own.