“You are all unbelievers, I’ll kill you” – Two Islamist knife attacks in France

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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I believe Islam actually teaches to get along with & respect Judaism & Christianity, but says nothing about respecting any other faith. But Islam has a long record of failing to live up to its own teachings--as do other religions as well.
     
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    There are far more terrorist attacks in the US than in France. It's not even close.

    And the attackers in the US are right wing American men.
     
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    Religions, like everything else, change over time. Islam is no more like its original faith than Christianity, or Buddhism today. Islam became violent during Mohammed's life, then became ever more violent after his death. Islam is the most openly violent of the world's major religions, by far. And yes, sadly, there are versions of Islam that do follow the interpretation you accurately reflect in your post.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Nah, you just consider ANY criticism of Islamic doctrine as a criticism of 1.8 billion Muslims and therefore impermissible.
     
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    The "religion" of Islam as documented in the Koran and Hadiths stays the same. Just as the protestant reformation was able to use the text of the bible to demonstrate the illegitimacy of the inventions of the Catholic church and return Christianity to the doctrine of the bible, the Islamic fundamentalist are using the text of the Koran and Hadiths to return Islam to the doctrine of the Koran and hadiths and away from the inventions of Turkey
     
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    Nope I criticize it myself but most of what I see are agenda driven blanket misrepresentations based off blind fear and not legitimate criticisms.
     
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    ALL of my criticisms are based upon the content of the doctrine written in the Koran and Hadiths. QUOTES of the Koran and Hadiths, not misrepresentations. The written religion dictates the form of government, law to be applied and a commandment to the believers to wage violent Jihad against the unbelievers until Islam rules the world. The Islamic Caliphates as they existed from 632 until the 1920s and then again for a few years under ISIS, IS THE NORM under Islam. Its 90 yeas absence the exception.

    ;We shall not rest until we raise the flag of Islam over the White House.....Today, in every country we look at worldwide, we see that the love of martyrdom is spreading like wildfire every day,; Ali Shirazi, Supreme Leader Ali Khameneis representative on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps

    "We do believe, as Muslims, the East and the West will one day be governed by the Shariah.....Indeed, we believe that one day, the flag of Islam will fly over the White House". Anjem Choudary

    "Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded.... It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet." al-Bana

    These aren't radical interpretations of Islam. They are literal interpretations of Islam
     
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    Good, informative post. I agree that Islam is the most violent of all the world's traditional religions, and because of that, the least accurate in regards to the relationship of Man to God. Your quotes are from modern times, and reflect some of the more extremist views of the 20th & 21st century, although I agree that Islam has always had a strong connection with violence, coupled with very little regard for human rights or human life.
     
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    A LITERAL interpretation isn't an extreme interpretation. And the 20th and 21st century were no different than the 7th thru 19th.

    But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When
    they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
    https://www.city-journal.org/html/jefferson-versus-muslim-pirates-13013.html

    From the 14th century on the authority of the Caliph
    Ibn Khaldoon "A representation, of the one who has the right to adopt the divine rules, aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia) with it."

    Like Al-Mawirdi before him in the 11th century defined it as: "Succession of the Prophethood aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia)"
     
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    Interesting research. I think you've made your point in a convincing manner. :) Certainly, the ISIS Caliphate was nothing to be neutral about, and it appears many generations before us have had to deal with the threat & misery of Islamic extremism.
     
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    Filled with fear and manufactured hatred the unconscious draw to themselves the very thing needed to reveal their own shadow selves until, poof, transformation occurs.

    :-D

     
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    A LITERAL interpretation isn't an extreme interpretation.
     
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    Since ALL religious founding texts are written as metaphors &/or parables, which are not intended to be taken literally, but figuratively. Literal interpretations never make sense, and frequently lead believers to extremist views &/or anti-social behaviors.
     
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    Literal readings of Christianity leads to people "do(ing) unto others as you would have them do unto you" , to "love your enemy" and "turn the other cheek" to him when stricken. A literal reading of Islam leads to Muslims who believe they must "fight", "kill" "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until.... religion is only for Islam"
     
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    You can't condemn the Islamic texts for teaching violence/hatred against non-believers, can you?
     
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    So the magical story of Jesus' "resurrection", and the "invisible gated community in the sky" (heaven) are all just metaphors and/or parables then.....so that would make Christians crazy for believing that those things are actually true, correct?
     
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    We can all agree that the world would be a better place if the barbaric Abrahamic faiths didn't teach sheer hatred of non-believers (sending them all to "hell", and unfairly denying them entry into "heaven", etc.)
     
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    And out of every 6250 instances of muslim terrorism I was able to find a Jewish one.
     
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    And many Muslims appear to take these teachings seriously and literally.
     
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    Donald Trump is doing a helluva good job of eliminating Islamic militants while the population at Gitmo remains stable, thanks to new policies. https://www.apnews.com/745daed8aa624b04994c5f8d91eab88a
     
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    There are just as many texts in the Bible which advocate the same - you condemn each and every one, right?
     
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    read By Way of Deception and The Israeli Connection: Who Israel Arms and Why
     
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    Wow, it sounds like BOTH of those texts are evil and vile.
     
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    Like I said, you can't condemn the Islamic texts for teaching violence/hatred against non-believers, can you?
     
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    What will your god do to Buddhists in the "afterlife"? Will he "fight", "kill" "slay" and "smite the necks".....or will he do far far worse - burning them alive, brutally and savagely in a "lake of fire"? It sounds like your god is far far worse than anything that Muhammad ever did, actually. Time to leave God/Jesus then, it would appear.
     

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