“You are all unbelievers, I’ll kill you” – Two Islamist knife attacks in France

Taking insane stuff literally is dead wrong. Such as literally thinking that there's some magic invisible place up in the sky where no Buddhists are allowed ("heaven"), not even ethical Buddhists - The Dalai Lama is excluded, simply due to his religion.

 

No, no, no - there can't be any barbaric verses in the Bible because the all-loving/all-caring JESUS would have come down w/in the last 2000 years and recommended to Christians to remove those barbaric verses from the main book about him (the Bible) - because he is so kind and loving!
Or maybe Jesus simply is not real at all, so that's why he's never lifted a finger to bother doing that - despite being "all-powerful" enough to "read our minds (prayers) and magically change the world in our favor."

 

I condemn ALL racist comments, writings, speeches, religious texts, and hate whether it be in the Bible, Koran, Trump's speeches, Pat Robertson's antichrist sermons.

Do you?

 

Yes, absolutely.

 

Unfortunately, religious fundamentalists waste little time or effort in thinking things thru. They generally just react. Unfortunately for Christianity, the early official Roman Church included the Jewish Bible (Tanakh) as part of the new Christian Bible (Old Testament), as a means of showing the prophesies regarding the Messiah as support for Jesus' claim on that title. Over time, Christians forgot the purpose of the Old Testament and accepted it on equal footing with the New Testament as an indivisible & integral part of Christian teaching. But the God of the Old Testament and the God taught by Jesus were two entirely different beings. Even today, many Christians remain unaware of the differences, even though they are essentially polar opposites. For some inexplicable reason, fundamentalist & evangelical Christians tend to lean toward the Old Testament as the basis for their personal Christianity, which is a paradox because Jesus offered a very different vision of God and what God values than that taught by the (Jewish) Old Testament. In so doing, they become more inclined toward "an eye for an eye" philosophy than the more genteel Christian emphasis on forgiveness & love. In summary, a literal interpretation of religious scriptures fails to guide the follower in the right beliefs or behaviors, regardless of the religion involved in.

 

Fundamentalists, evangelicals & literal interpretationists generally take the whole text word for word literally, as if it were somehow immune to error. Of course there are segments that are literally true, but my point is, religious texts are written to offer guidance to followers toward becoming better human beings in their personal lives. The stories are used to illustrate points of behavior that assist in that goal. A wholly literal interpretation destroys that thoughtful guidance aspect of those writings and makes a mockery of the whole effort, because taken literally, one often encounters conflicting statements or segments that make absolutely no sense. In all religions, a literal interpretation is the farthest from the intention of the scriptures and the least accurate path to follow within that faith.

 

Don't you feel a little odd condoning the eternal incarceration of a suspect without trial? Are you an American?

 

So then we both agree that Jesus is not ACTUALLY "coming back to give Xians eternal life up in a magic invisible place in the sky, while he leaves all Muslims and all Buddhists to get burned alive in a lake of fire", right? If so, then this would make most Xians delusional, right?

 

So these writings are very very dangerous, then.

 

I've no problem condoning the 'eternal incarceration' of any mass murderer if that's your question.

 

Only if they'e accepted as being literally true. And because of the lack of education in third world countries far too many Muslims take the Koran seriously.

 

Your quote of mine was:

Please show me where I wrote that, because misquoting someone is a serious offence on this forum, my friend.
I do get your point though, and yes I agree with you.

 

Can't read the entire attachment but please point out where I misquoted you.

PS. I took another look and the quote appears to be a little garbled. I assure you that I changed nothing at all, there was no need, so have no idea what happened. Perhaps I erred somewhere but have no idea how. My sincere apologies if that's the case.

 

As an atheist, I'm not concerned with being denied admission to heaven or eternity in hell. I am concerned with the Islamic commandments in the Koran for the believers to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers here on earth, "until... religion should only be for Allah".

 

Christians just need a literal interpretation of the entire bible instead of selective parts. As far as "an eye for an eye",
THE BIBLE LITERALLY SAYS
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. It couldn't be stated much more plainly.

Ephesians 2
15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Hebrews 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Romans 10
4Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.(*)

Romans 7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 3
13We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.

Galatians 3 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law(*)

 

Here is the post where you initially altered the quote.

 

Yes, I read it and expressed my apologies to FreedomSeeker. The meaning remains the same but it looks as though the quote I used is from a poorly educated poster, which was never my intent. I was taking it seriously and responded in a serious manner.

 

As an atheist you should be concerned with the fact that many religions teach that you are vastly inferior to their followers (in the eyes of their invisible friend who lives in the sky)!

 

No problem. I appreciate your reply. Looking at it again it appears to me that you might have accidentally typed some of your REPLY in the quote section - I'm sure I've done that accidentally a time or two as well, so no worries. Have a great night.

 

Paris is a $hithole

 

Sooo, I take it you are not employed by the French Tourist Bureau?

 

This is moral equivalency.
I am reminded of what some Jew said after the Munich massacre in 1972
(if you recall Arab terrorists killed Israeli team members)
Quote, "What they do to us today they will do to you tomorrow."

I was pretty young at the time, but the statement chilled me. What does
he mean? Is that true?

Guess you can say that Israeli was correct. Islamic outrage isn't about
Palestine or the Gulf War - it's about Christians being prosperous and
strong when Muslims are not. It's offensive that Christians and other
religions even exist.
Islam was conceived in conquest, forced conversion and violence - and
its embedded in their holy book and psyche.

 

Inferior as in no ticket to heaven. Not a concern of mine. I believe in decomposition after death.

 

1) "What they do to us today they will do to you tomorrow."


If the commentator had been honest, he would have said, 'this is what we have done all along to Muslims'.




2) ''Islamic outrage ... it's about Christians being prosperous and
strong when Muslims are not.''


Read Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth which is one of the most striking and truthful books ever written:


http://home.ku.edu.tr/~mbaker/CSHS503/FrantzFanon.pdf



You need to watch the famous documentary Battle of Algiers:

https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/publications/ethics_onfilm/0005










It was Christianity which threw the first punch in the Third World. What Christian Hitler did to Jews was precisely the same thing Christian Queen Victoria did to the Indian Subcontinent and what Christian King Leopold did to Congo. There are other examples I can give you of Christian imperialism and terrorism which are the cause of the problems you see today. While it is true that Muslim terrorists have killed some Christians, the numbers they killed do not begin to approach the number of Muslims killed by Christians.

As Alan Watts said decades ago, more people have been killed by Christians in the name of the Bible than for any other reason in history. That remains fact whether you choose to believe it or not.

 

Indeed. I have heard it suggested it was only because Jews were white that the West saw a problem in mass killing them. They certainly did not see the same problem in doing this in Africa. I did think though that Germany was the only one who set up Death Camps, though hundreds of thousands or more died in the British concentration camps.

A Brutal Genocide in Colonial Africa Finally Gets its Deserved Recognition

and Belgium

When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’