⚡Unsold electric cars are piling up on dealer lots⚡

Not at all clear. His post was not about acceleration.

 

Top speed?

 

Not sure what the point of that would be.

 

Not only that but by the time your EV has become cost effective, it will need a new battery, requiring you to take out a loan of several thousand dollars.

 

The breakeven on the EV is compared to buying a ICE.

 

No it's BAD because the government is badly trying to force us all into them.

 

Three reasons why EV vehicles are not being sold:

1. relatively lower gas prices compared to a year ago
2. high-interest rates on new vehicles
3. consumers holding back on major purchases such as cars because they fear a recession.

It is not the size of the EV that is the issue, it is that EVs are sold when gas prices are high. It is that dichotic relationships and consumers are very predictable. In the mid 2000s when gas prices were starting to go up, hybrids and EVs became popular. It also helped with the tax incentives that were available by Bush in his two tax cuts bills. But by late 2000s and early 2010s, the gas prices were starting to go down again, and predictability, hybrids and EV vehicles that were sold also went down. But those same consumers started buy the big ass SUVs, including the Hummer and the H2, and that went on for a while until gas prices went up, and the trend reversed. People started buying smaller cars, EVs, and even Hybrids. But that is economics.

 

No one is forcing you into them. Ford, GM, and Toyota see a profit motive with EVs, especially GM where they are trying to sell SUVs that are EVs. Americans like big ass cars and trucks. Bigger the better. And we have always wanted big cars since the 1950s. We just changed our attitudes on the particulars of big cars and look for streamlining and other features. When I was growing up, trucks were the "cheap" vehicle generally. You could purchase a brand new truck for less than you can purchase a brand new sedan from any of the Big Three automakers. Now Trucks can cost up to $80k while sedans, full-size sedans on average can cost $50k, excluding luxury vehicles of both types.

 

And then as the EV driver gets a motel room and some sleep while his car charges, the Trans Am driver would be at his destination.

 

I saw the too and asked him if he knew what break even meant.

 

I have a 2004 and a 2013 and have very little maintenance cost and do lots of it on the 2004 myself. You're thinking 1960-70 technology. There is very little maintenance involved in modern ICE cars. Most is technology based these days and that applies to EV's too they are not maintenance free and impervious to breakdowns.

 

The Biden administration and the DEM/Left?Progs are MOST CERTAINLY trying to push us all into EV's and almost forcing the manufacturers to ONLY manufacture them and for you to deny that is...................well I just won't even say it.

Why aren't they letting the free market decide?

 

Toyota PRIME models are different. PRIME designates Plug-In Hybrid. There are Prius Primes and Rav4 Primes. The represent the best of both techs, offering the benefits that people actually desire. ICE has reached a limit. That's why hybrids have been so successful and where Hybrid EVs are bridging the gap further, until there is a realistic EV solution that the grid can handle and a charging infrastructure that can actually support the load.

There is also an issue with simply fixing EVs. Not everyone can do it. I know plenty of Tesla drivers that got into accidents and they were completely SOL for weeks. An ICE vehicle can be fixed in days...assuming a hard to find part isn't a problem.

 

EVs are a different vehicle. If the computer goes on an ice it will be totalled.

 

Not to those who just want to go into the mountains without running out of energy for our ride.

 

Well, no.

 

If Toyota made an EV version of a Corolla hybrid it would have to compete with Tesla.

Toyota has not shown an ability to do that.

 

EV prices are like other products - subject to supply and demand.

Right now, Tesla is making a ton of money on several continents.

 

Huh? Since when? New control modules can usually be ordered from the manufacturer (assuming the vehicle isn't 20 or 30 years old). And even if the manufacturer doesn't offer them any more, some diligent searching of junkyards, etc. can find it. I've done it myself.

 

I do think this is the direction that ICE is headed.

One has to wonder what the parts and maintenance market will be like.

 

90 day supply is industry standard for new cars.

Congratulations Faux Niwz, you noticed we got back up to average.

 

Which is why I won’t buy one. I live in a state banning ICE cars in 2035. I will maintain my existing ICE automobile to 300,000 miles and then buy used cars when my 2000 model car in great condition inside and out with 155,000 miles and lots of new under the hood parts wears out.

 

Lots of hyperbole in this thread. My two cents is as follows. EV's have a niche role as a local runabout requiring neither long range nor towing capacity. They are well-suited for the "second car" role in a two-car household. They are not well-suited for the "first car" role (what I usually call the "highway cruiser") in that two-car household. EV range and towing shortcomings are exacerbated by temperature control (heating/cooling). If I were in the market for a local runabout I would think about an EV. I would not consider an EV otherwise.

 

I have a 1995 Mitsubishi 3000gt, parts are a night mare. BTW, even 30 yrs ago, there were electronic controllers in vehicles.

 

No kidding?

Of course there were. I've been in the business of engines and controls for 35 years.

Some manufacturers and some specific vehicles just aren't supported as long as others.