2023 Was the worlds warmest year on record by far

It looks like global warming is real, but it's not caused by us. It appears the planet's climate has a mind of its own and we can't control it.



What killed the 'real King Kong'? Scientists say they now know the answer to an ancient mystery


HONG KONG — It did not fall off the Empire State Building.

Instead, a giant ape sometimes dubbed the “real King Kong” was driven to extinction by climate change that put its favorite fruits out of reach during the dry season, according to new research published Wednesday in the journal Nature.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...on-climate-change-vegetarian-fruit-rcna133389

 

Not sure about the intelligence part of the hypothesis but sounds reasonable that our ability to adapt increased more rapidly during such times .. which you could say is one form of intelligence .. but not sure about overall

We are currently in a spot where the effect of human intelligence on our ability to survive has been dramatically reduced -- and this effects more than environmental decision .. but in the case of environment .. humanity is in a state of dumb and dumber ... If you were to ask an alien looking at the planet they would likely be perplexed at how a seemingly intelligent form of life could act so stupid.

Let us take the Keystone Pipeline as an example. Not one drop oil would have been saved from the fire by not building the keystone.. in fact just from a transportation of the product perspective Pipeline from Canada vs oil tanker from Nigeria . What is bonkers is that these enviro-dunces figure not building the Keystone would somehow reduce oil consumption .. ??? NO . NO .. NO idiots . not building the keystone does not change demand .. and if you don't get it from Canada you have to get it somewhere else -- Like Nigeria --from which we import a significant amount - industrializing non industrialized populations on the back of Oil -- which is the number one contributor to CO2 increasing from 22 Billion tons/year to 36 Billion tons/year over the last 25 years.

And that increase continues .. as we rush to industrialize more of the 5.5 Billion folks not yet industrialized .. so be proud when you buy that T-Shirt from China for that contribution to the increase in CO2 .. along with outsourcing most of our economy .. so we can save a few pennies by transporting out pollution problems to non industrialized nations.

The byproduct the actions to increase CO2 is massive Ocean pollution .. which as stated previously .. is by far a greater risk of catastrophic impact than the earth warming up. Over last 25 years dead zones on the Ocean have gone from ~100 to 500. This is where nitrogen from sewage or fertilizer run off causes the bacteria to us up all the oxygen creating an place where fish, corral, and marine life in general can not survive. One of the bigger ones is the size of the State of New Jersey

So imagine I said "Friend" don't go there .. pointing to an area the size of State of New Jersey .. because you won't be able to breath. This is a big deal is it not ? as that is the situation for the poor Fish .. There are many other really nasty effects ..google Sargassum epidemic if you want some pretty pictures .. and this is just one Ocean Pollution disaster .. Whales up north have levels of heavy metals (such as mercury) and Persistant Organic Pollutants so high that experts say neurological function impairment is high .. and thats really fked up.

These things are not happening 100 years from now when parts of Florida are submerged due to Oceans rising .. They are happening yesterday

 

Actually, you get me wrong. But, Climate change is a stupid description as the climate does always change. Global warming is more accurate. Yes, global temps are rising, as they have in the past, numerous times. There really isn't any absolute proof that it is manmade other than the circumstantial evidence that temps are rising at the same time of industrialization. That could just be a coincidence and temps may have risen anyway, without man. I don't know if we will ever be able to figure that out or not but the left sure want to claim circumstantial evidence as being direct evidence when it is not.

In any event, yes, temps are rising. But, there isn't really anything we can do about it and even you guys sometimes admit the truth when grilled about it. Even though you have been indoctrinated by the left I sometimes see glimmers of hope that somewhere in there you have an open mind which you try very hard to cover up. I encourage you to watch the following video. It's only five minutes long. In it the deputy energy secretary is grilled by John Kennedy and I must ask you to take note of two things during the video:

1. in the very beginning he admits that it will cost trillions of dollars for the US to fight climate change, also stating that if we don't, it will cost tens of trillions of dollars instead. So, he claims we would actually save money. Then, later in the video, he acknowledges that it will cost 50 trillion dollars for the US to fight climate change, which, by the way, IS tens of trillions of dollars.


2. he also acknowledges later in the video that if the US were to spend 50 trillion dollars fighting global warming, he can't say that world temps would decrease or even that the rate of increases would decrease. This is Biden's and Kerry's deputy energy secretary, not some Fox News Contributor or climate change denier. Watch the video with an open mind.

 

Lmao, Kennedy cracks me up I'd vote for that guy In a heartbeat for the accent alone..

 

Irony..

And in the left corner we have,

Again, IRONY

 

Demonstrates that the "honest year ever" was the equivalent of eclipsing the world 100m record by 0.01 seconds; notable but not indicative of any great development. And at least the 100m time is an actual measurement, whereas the world temp is a mathematically manipulation of questionable and incomplete data.

 

its 3.4% of global emissions. (i know, not a huge number, but significant IMO)

 

Soooooo you’re using one of the most inaccurate of measurements to “prove” there was no warming?? Might as well use tea leaves as the UAH

https://skepticalscience.com/uah-at...ature-measurements-are-wrong-intermediate.htm

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...te-data-set-is-underestimating-global-warming

 

Sorry but the sheer ignorance in the statement that “there is no proof” that global warming is man made is…….

Have you never hear of carbon isotopes? See fossil fuels have a different carbon isotope signature than naturally produced co2
then there are all the other factors like aerosols, cfcs deforestation etc etc etc

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-why-scientists-think-100-of-global-warming-is-due-to-humans/

 

NOPE. Nowhere in any of my posts can you find the assert there is NOT warming.

Sorry, I'll belef the data from an acknowledged academy organization overflowing with PhDs to some internet climate-disaster based web site.

That nine year old horse manure claim has been disproven numerous times.

 

So? I see you refused to watch the video and deflected. Doesn't surprise me.

 

Why would I bother watching a video when I can read research?

 

Okay what ARE you asserting because so far you have been game playing here as far as I can tell. As for the UAH there are a ton of sites and research outlining the limitations of the data.


Now let’s compare sources

It also lists a slew of awards

Now let’s look at your PHDs - Roy Spencer in particular

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(meteorologist)

 

Continuing a look at Roy Spencer

He is a
So a “creationist” which I view as only one step away from a flat earther

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(meteorologist)

He has a list of shady associations

https://www.desmog.com/roy-spencer/

Most of whom get nice fat pay cheques from fossil fuel industries

He is. Known “climate misinformer”
https://skepticalscience.com/Roy_Spencer_arg.htm

ooopsie! Here is one paycheque

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Roy_Spencer

 

Have anything but personal attacks? Facts are temperature since the end of the Little ice age has grown an almost imperceptible 1.3C. Barely the leeway your home thermostat does for your home temp. Other weather phenomena are similarly random.

 

Like coming out of an ice age.

 

Volcanos are a contributor to the greenhouse effect, the question is what can we do to decrease the overall global greenhouse output? Because where we are currently, the consensus is that our greenhouse output is too high, which is having a significant impact on our climate and is costing us a lot.

Obviously not everyone is going to agree on what the solution should be, but the most constructive thing we can do is to have that debate and come to some sort of agreement. Instead of having this discussion on what the solution is, a large portion of our legislative seems to think it's better to outright deny that the problem even exists. Unfortunately that kind of ignorance is costing us, in addition to the emergency funds we keep having to contribute to FEMA to mitigate our environmental disasters at home, globally we are already beginning to see the first generation of environmental refugees from this warming period. We are expected to see a significant increase in environmental refugees over the next 25 years, with some estimates exceeding 1 billion people.

We're already seeing this effect at home, people having to leave Hawaii from a catastrophic wild fire, people leaving Puerto Rico from a catastrophic hurricane. We are already seeing an influx of people evacuating multiple islands across the Atlantic and the Pacific, and this is expected to get much worse in the coming years if we do not decrease our greenhouse output. Note that the greenhouse effect needs to be in balance, if we had no greenhouse effect at all, we would be expected to be in an ice age, but when the greenhouse effect is too high, we see warmer temperatures, warmer ocean temperatures, rising sea levels, stronger hurricanes, and stronger wildfires.

We're already seeing this process unfold before our eyes, and it's only going to get much worse if we cannot reverse this warming trend. I understand it still gets cold and snows around winter time, and so does every scientist who studies the fields of meteorology, oceanography, and geophysics.. but unfortunately that doesn't mean we have been able to successfully offset the earth's overall warming trend that has already occurred, and will continue if we do not change course.

 

No deflection. Answer.

 

Why are these fires occuring? Who's lighting them???? Uh oh...

 

Despite the rise in temperatures the leftist governments of the West continue to import millions of people who will use exponentially more energy after they invade.

 

“ none so blind as those who will not see”… John Heywood

 

It’s not the mere existence or ignition of a fire that is the issue, but the sheer size of our wild fires that is having such devastating consequences

The 21st century has seen more wild fires exceed 1 million acres than any other century in human history. This is despite the fact that the 21st century is still only in it’s first quarter, and our technology at fighting wild fires is more advanced than any time in history.

 

It also not the argument that matters. The arguments that matter are:
1. Is global warming an existential threat to humanity? I see absolutely no evidence that it is.
2. Are the consequences of carbon limiting actions taken by the government an existential threat to America. Given that our entire transportation would be reliant on battery tech and materials supplied almost exclusively by our most powerful enemy, the answer to this is obvious.
3. Would they reduce global carbon emissions? Looking at the trajectory of carbon emissions in China and India, the answer to this is also obvious.
4. Who benefits and who loses? Billionaires/China win and average Americans lose,

 

The video is about Biden's deputy energy secretary, a climate change expert (you know, someone who can read research), saying that we need to spend trillions of dollars to fight global warming and, if we don't, it will cost us tens of trillions of dollars and then later admitting it is going to cost us tens of trillions of dollars to fight global warming.

It is also about Biden's deputy energy secretary, a climate change expert (you know, someone who can read research), admitting that after we spend 50 trillion dollars global temps won't decrease and can't even say that the rate of increase of global temps won't increase.

The video IS about an expert who knows the research.

It's a short video, I dare you to watch it. Or, do you refuse to watch a video of Biden's expert on climate change?

 

You have yet to understand one thing: the struggle against the effects of AGW is being addressed by people who live in the REAL world. For that reason I say again to people who drink from plastic containers: if your only concern is the topic of THIS thread, drink away! It makes no difference as it relates to this specific issue.