2023 Was the worlds warmest year on record by far

I have. Many times, as have several other climate realists.

 

But not now - sorry not playing Brandolini

 

So post some actual data rather than babble for semi-educated whackos.

Here's mine:

 

Myopic thinking…

 

Only for the uninformed…or wilfully ignorant…

 

And this is apropos of???

 

Never mind, you're wasting my time. I figured actual data would stun you.

 

Can a Leftist explain why the ice age ended?.

Seriously.... Why did this period of rapid warming occur 12,000 years before a fossil fuel was burned?

Much of the US and Europe was covered in ice, the the ice rapidly melted. Why? Cars? Explain, and then explain how we could reverse such a process.

Maybe Bono or Chris Martin will chime in ....... Idiots.

 

No it is just that this discussion has wandered as it started with

Then wandered into the discussion on the outcomes of the COP 28 and now apropos of nothing seems to be about the UAH data - which has limitations

 

Ignorance runs rampant…!

 

Yes and no. Although they are putting CO2 into the atmosphere they are paying for it to be balanced by reforestation. And yes there have been some shitty international scams with carbon offsets but where it has worked it has worked wel


https://8billiontrees.com/carbon-offsets-credits/forest-carbon-offsets/
https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/carbon-offsets-2023/

 

Today’s game between the dolphins and the Chiefs was the 4th coldest game in NFL history. Therefore, global warming is fake. Checkmate, libs.

 

In order to answer your own questions, how much education have you undertaken…?

 

Hmmm. I see a bit of disinformation being bandied about. Claims humans aren’t adapted to warmer temps. Let’s see what science tells us about that …


Here’s the actual science you won’t find in mainstream media or blogs like skepticalscience. Here is a sample of the overwhelming evidence a warming planet is actually advantageous to human health and mortality.


Let’s have a look at the actual evidence warmer is better for humans.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.do...res-kill-5-million-a-year-20-year-study-77875

Then there is another large study that looked at suboptimal temps in relation to severity as well as just heat/cold.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62114-0/fulltext

So we see temperatures that are cooler than optimal for humans kills between ten and seventeen times as many people as temperatures that are warmer than “ideal”.

Isn’t real science amazing? A warming planet will save MANY lives by decreasing the massive death loss from below optimal temps.

Between 2000 and 2019 the warming trend has decreased temp related mortality 0.3% already! Because mortality from cooler than optimal temperatures is decreasing much faster than increasing mortality from hotter than optimal temperatures this will persist for a VERY long time as today cold related temperatures kill at least 10-17 times as many as heat related.



The temperature in New England USA is rising as faster than most places on earth. Yet even at the highest end of projected warming, lives will be saved by warming.

https://www.mdpi.com/2225-1154/9/12/176/htm

Yet when we look at the future under RCP 8.5 in New England we project more healthcare needed but fewer overall deaths towards the end of this century.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5980746/#:~:text=This approach also assumes that,to increased adaptation to heat.

So an area with some of the fastest climate change on the planet, and warming will still be saving over 200 lives annually in the tiny state of RI under RCP 8.5 at the turn of the century! Science is so much more interesting than people’s unsubstantiated opinions!

Even in tropical/subtropical environments, cold is the real threat, not warmer temps.

https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/38/6/1689/667818#:~:text=Every 1°C decrease,any of the lags examined

Even the CDC confirms cold is the real threat to humans.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25073563/

Rates of cardiovascular deaths are far higher when it’s cold than when it’s hot. The human body is just better at handling warmer temps than we see today than temps cooler than today. It’s a biological fact.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061832

Yes, climate is changing. But that change has different consequences than the common narrative would have you believe. Warming is beneficial to humans. If human mortality and morbidity are a concern, warming is not a dire catastrophe….it’s a lifesaver. And cold weather events that kill far more than hot events are decreasing faster than warm events are increasing!

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00404-x

Folks that claim humans aren’t adapted to warmer temps are anti science. The biological sciences are clear that humans are far more adapted to warmer temps than the cool temps we are used to.

 

Sigh! You want me to post a books worth of paleoclimatology???
Here is one event explained

https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/s...-turning-point-earths-history-42000-years-ago
Although this was 42,000 years ago it does underscore some of the natural events that can and do affect our planet.

The younger dryas though seems to have been triggered at least in part by methane hydrates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period#Deglaciation

 

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Well .. human survival is more a function of technology than adaptation these days .. so seems the point is mute.

"Sigh! You want me to post a books worth of paleoclimatology???" - Good Golly No, lest we discover that you understand not what is in that book . and we already know what is in that book that matters = Long ago the Earth's atmosphere contained more CO2 than today .. the Earth was hotter .. and the animals bigger .. the bigger animals part kind of cool.

And Bingo - natural events can affect our planet .. sometimes wiping out most species .. and let us hope that such an event - huge amounts of methane released - does not happen.

and as for the topic .. certainly does seem like we are moving into a warmer period .. CO2 levels continue to increase due to man's activity ..

The Problem .. is that Biden's "Not in my back Yard - Dump it in the Ocean" environmental policy seeks not only to increase CO2 .. but to continue the rapid increase in Ocean Pollution.

In this two horse race to the Abyss -- the Ocean Pollution horse is running a whole lot faster and maintaining current path will most certainly lead to catastrophic effects within 3 to 4 decades .. and possibly sooner.

 

Humongous post. You know that nobody is going to dare to tackle that, right!?

I did almost spit out my Kigalian Latte though, when I saw your mention of England (which has opposite predictions). I had a bunch of stuff prepared to shoot through to you when I was chatting with you in November. Then I went to a conference in Sintra Portugal and got completely distracted of course, mostly by the beautiful, sunny weather (vs icy grey Germany).

However, the plot thickens with Great Britain (politically correct name, ) because the doom & gloom is based on a toasty hot UK, and it may well be a colder UK that is the issue based on projections regarding increased polar vortices and altered Atlantic currents. I'm sure you don't need evidence of this.

It's all conjecture of course, because we don't really know what will happen! I wonder how much we should accelerate these unnatural climatic changes and find out?

Of course, you were talking about New England, not England... I am blind. I have to read up on NE.

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Now back to Rwanda. What makes this place so damned nice to visit is that it's 1300-1800 meters above sea level and much cooler than expected for a city almost directly placed over the equator. I am tempted to go out and do an informal survey (Excusez-moi monsieur madame, auriez-vous un moment pour quelques questions rapides sur la météo?), whether locals would want to lower their city by 1300 meters or so to better enjoy the stifling humidity and heat that this part of the world is famous for. What do you conject their answer might be?

 

Our technology is a product of our wonderful ability to adapt. One predominant theory is that human intelligence increased fastest during periods of rapid climate change.

 

Why should I have anything substantive when you don't?

 

Please send some of that global warming my way. Sub-zero temps we are having right now are well below our historical average and making life difficult right now.

 

Climate change????

Yeah, I agree. Only for the uninformed or willfully ignorant.

 

How many people are drinking a plastic bottled drink as they view this thread?
How many drove to Sunday brunch today to meet friends and DID not carpool to minimize their foot print?
How many people have a light on right now in the other room?
DO YOUR PART!

 

But that's what I originally asked about.

You should've never replied to me in the first place. You clearly didn't have a response to what I actually said.

You've reinforced my argument. Until the climate alarmists go after China/India, they are illustrating that they aren't serious at all about this agenda that they claim is of critical importance to our survival. It's still nothing but a political topic until they actually get serious about it.

 

I don't know if it will or not, but the urgent issue on hand is not about preventing ocean levels from rising at this point. That is likely not preventable anymore. It's about mitigating the effects on the victims, wildlife and industry that will be affected. Some sort of "carbon tax" might go a long way in addressing that. Especially as it relates to research to help understand and deal with the consequences better.

The longer we take to address these things, the more expensive it becomes to deal with them.

 

I say to them: Drink away! It makes no difference. At least not as far as it relates to the topic of this thread (Climate Change). Local pollution might be a different issue. But that affects them more than me, so...